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Anyway, move this discussion to the Alto thread if it needs to be explored any further. Last edited by Foreshadow; 2009-12-03 at 20:31. |
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Interesting, rather than try to accomplish one and distance himself from the other, he should try and find a way to have both of them coincide with one another. Which leads to episode 25 where he repeats his father's words. In other words, his nature to act doesn't necessarily have to interfere with his desire to fly.
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Had he not acknowledged the girls sooner, he would have been in a constant state of denial over their choices, he never would have resolved to kill Ranka, and would have constantly pushed Sheryl to take her medicine. |
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I said they were his inspiration, Sheryl and Ranka acting as damsels in destress allowed Alto to assume the role of 'white knight'. He gratefully used that position to join the SMS as a pilot to escape his family trouble. He loves them both on a platonic level as a knight would have done the same (Alto takes 'method' acting to new levels ) The problem is that we really can't tell how deeply he cares due to his nature as an actor. I guess it depends on how much symapthy he generates with the individual viewer.
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In Ep 23 He says he originally joined SMS to protect Ranka, but he realized that the world is much more important. Why would he lie to Klan? Where is anything that supports that he would be "acting" in that situation? Yasaburo earlier in the episode forces him to think about what he truly believes in. He chooses to protect what is most important to him. |
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For example: In SDF Macross, Hikaru is in love with Minmay, that love is his key character motivation to become a fighter pilot to protect Minmay. In Frontier: Alto's key character motivation is his desire to fly. Protecting Ranka allows him to join the SMS and fly. Hence she provided him the inspiration he needed to become a pilot. This is also pretty much the problem with the Frontier triangle. Hikaru flew for the women he loves, Alto has women that love him so he can fly. |
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A person who gives to a charity can do this out of a genuine concern for those that need help, or he can do it to make himself look good and caring in the eyes of his peers. While both help others the motivation differs, one acts out of compassion the other out of self love. Altough this explanation is probably unnecessary as I assume this whole 4chan act is more because your upset that some one doesn't care for your beloved Alto then out of an inability to understand, so I'll leave it at that. |
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Actually, he is not the only one who disagrees with your point. Most people just don't care to debate something that amounts to personal opinion, like me. Be aware that this isn't a problem with my understanding skills, either. It is simply me disagreeing with you and not feeling up to the task of listing a boatload of reasons as to why.
Can we move on, now?
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For whatever its worth, I partially agree with you as far as flying being one the two main leading reason/inspiration/cause for Alto's need for joining the Macross team. He never stopped talking about the endless blue sky and at the end, the sky Bajraa (sp?) world will have. I also think the romance factor still need to be weighed in, especially near the end. Sheryl and Ranka made it too obvious for Alto to not to.
You also have my thanks, Bri, for keeping your cool.
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Including personal opinions into an argument has the assumption that the other person believes, or will believe the same thing you do. Most of the time that is not the case and things degenerate quickly into something not so pretty. A real mess of an argument and a mess for the moderators if I might say. Besides, showing a clear bias and lack of objectivity just... lessens the validity of your case. I do my best to see both sides while only supporting one. In Macross, only one personal opinion will ever matter because he controls the ins and outs of Macross. And that is Shouji Kawamori!
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Hey, I never said that flying was not one of the reasons Alto joined SMS. It definitely was one of the things that he wanted to do, see the Yakh Deculture version of episode one.
But this is far from him being narcissistic, which is what Bri states Alto as being, without ever having given one compelling reason as to why he thinks Alto is that. I say: Alto repeatedly was shown to care deeply for others, including people he did not know personally. Bri says: Alto is narcissistic! I know, because Yasaburo said so! I can give precise examples, if need be, of Alto directly stating and acting in the way I describe him. I wonder where the examples for Bris point of view are, because other than Yasaburo saying so, they do not exist.
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1) Alto requests a valkyrie from Ozma to fight the Vajira while is untrained and more likely to be a danger to himself and everyone else and not realizing this. 2) Alto performs a maneuver he was told explicitly not to do, nearly killing Sheryl at the concert, because he wanted to show off. 3) Michael questions Alto joining up with the SMS. He is afraid that Alto will put his own principles before his duty and will run off again as he did in the past and having to clean up the mess after Alto again. 4) Alto tries to kill Aikun while asked not to by Ranka, citing revenge for Michaels death and declaring that the skies will never be peacefull as long as both sides are alive. This answer exemplifies the character for me, ignoring his friends request by placing his own desires first and hints that Alto does not only want to protect Frontier but also sees the Varija as an obstacle between him and a clear sky to fly in. |
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Also, this is from the first episode, where Alto still is in "trying to find his place in the world" mode and was still pretty much rude to everyone. Quote:
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Sorry, you fail to present anything resembling a real argument as to a place which would make Alto "narcissistic". I'd still recommend looking up the dictionary for the meaning of the word.
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He did not seem to care about love relatioships. That also probably proves a theory that says that girls are attracted to guys that play "tough to get"...
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