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2012-12-04, 10:22 | Link #142 | |
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EVEN IF THEY ARE PLA front money machines, they couldn't possibility generate enough money to make the PLA independent of the government. Social political factors, what social political factors? |
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2012-12-04, 10:23 | Link #143 |
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Making a direct statistical comparison between two mechanism clearly stated to operate differently, with one being dangerously independent in its source of resource from political field, you're not playing on the same debating field at all.
That's what Sumeragi's saying. And you're also throwing around completely irrelevant, random rants to his discussion in attempt to paint the American military as evildoers, when that's not entirely the point of discussion. Or at least, that's what I see. I could be missing something here.
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2012-12-04, 10:25 | Link #144 | |
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That is approved by the U.S Congress. The CIA, apparently decide to flaunt the wishes of the Congress and kept on selling weapons to terrorists. How is that for independence? |
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2012-12-04, 10:33 | Link #146 | |
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Having a few corporations remotely (even if vaguely) linked with the PLA does not mean PLA can freely do what it wants. China still remember the days of Warlordism, and Bejing holds a close rein to the military. As for Oliver North/Iran Contra, I just pointed out if Sumagi is so high on paranoid military theory, then there is a close example at home. Last edited by ArchmageXin; 2012-12-04 at 10:44. |
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2012-12-04, 10:43 | Link #149 | |
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I just showed whatever the PLA can do "independently" probably amount to zero and nill. |
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2012-12-04, 10:43 | Link #150 |
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CIA is a spy organization, an agency of the US government.
They are not affiliated with the military, nor do they have a shared jurisdiction. A completely separate entity.
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2012-12-04, 10:49 | Link #151 | |
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You really need to read, or not get into discussions without having any idea what you're talking about. |
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2012-12-04, 11:03 | Link #152 | |
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Having some companies allegedly to be linked to the PLA =/= Actively making a difference. Furthermore, if PLA is really flushing with cash in investments, they would be actively promoting world peace than the other way around. After all, that body armor maker of yours would go bankrupt if it get blown away by a Hellfire missile. The Investment Bank busy buying up Canadian oil assets would be less inclined to fire missiles at the Tar Sands. Unlike...say, U.S Defense companies, who would actively benefit if violence broke out. |
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2012-12-04, 11:40 | Link #153 |
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The only thing I can truly allow is PLA actively lobby the Chinese Government for additional funds, on the grounds of national defense.
Like the Pentagon, PLA recognize the fact if universal peace break out, military budgets would be the first to go. So it would actively produce reports to suggest China is way behind in term of military expenditure, and surrounded by wolves at the border and barbarians at the gates. And hence, military budget go up. |
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Was referred to this thread by Willx.
I'm just going to put my 2 cents here. As the president of the Union in 00 stated, "Each and every country intervenes in the affairs of other countries for their own purpose and to protect their civilians...there's no such thing as good will" For example, why does everyone invade Afghanistan? Almost every nation in the past has invaded it at one point in time (Alexander, Chinese, Ghenghis Khan, etc.). The reason was because Afghanistan was the McDonalds of Asia. You control it you have access to almost anywhere else in Asia. The South China Seas is an area that is rich in resources and shipping lanes so yeah everybody including the birds and bees are going to try to gain as much stake in it as they can. Would they go to war? No, in a global economy where everybody is tied together they will never risk that, especially with nuclear weapons. The world is in need of Energy and because both India and China are still developing countries they need to secure as many energy resources as possible to feed themselves. That's the harsh reality. Imagine what'll happen when the African Continent gets on board and starts developing at the same pace. This is the exact same thing except we're a bit more civilized and aren't going in with guns blazing. All of the small guys know that they can't match China but at the same time China doesn't want to push too far as war is bad for business. I should also point out because the United States has naval assets operating in the area the Chinese will want to try to stake out as much as possible to protect themselves. Don't forget that Obama is establishing a new marine base in Australia. Quote:
By that logic we should've cut all ties with the US when the National Guard massacre those students back in the 80's. Quote:
Nexen itself is a gas and exploratory company. That and Nexen operations includes less than 1% of the oil sands, as Trudeau would put it it's hardly a national security risk and as Redford put it bluntly, Alberta has wealth because tons of foreign businesses set up shop there. (About 78% of the oilsands are foreign owned so where were you when those ones were being "Sold" off to other nations?). For someone from Montreal you sure seem to have a huge amount of interest in Alberta and unless you're working for an engineering firm that's somewhat tied here you seem to be sprouting an awful amount of nonsence. |
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2012-12-08, 00:52 | Link #155 | |
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2012-12-08, 00:54 | Link #156 | ||
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Plus WWI started because one guy assassinated another guy and next thing you know everybody that formed an alliance wants to get in on that. WWI taught the dangers of such a thing. Quote:
At that point I realized that everybody is a liar and a hypocrite so I've accepted the fact that every nation is only looking out for themselves which is the case here which is my point. The South China Seas are an important asset and nobody can argue otherwise so it's obvious that everybody is going to do what they can to get a piece of it. Canada is already having issues with Russia over the Artic circle yet I don't see you bringing anything up about that. Therefore it's ridiculous for someone to talk about how great the US is and that they'll come in and defeat the evil Chinese like the guardian angels they are and vice versa. It makes me sick because the US isn't doing it out of the goodness of their heart but they're doing it for their own interests yet people will believe that. Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-12-08 at 01:25. |
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2012-12-08, 01:01 | Link #157 |
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That and the economies of the day were not as intertwined as they are now. Part of the globalism goal is to make it uneconomical for the local powers to go to war with each other, as they would soon lose vital materials they don't have or manpower they don't have because it is provided by their "enemy".
Europe is so entangled that it is almost impossible for there to be a way for them to go to war with each other anymore (like they did since at least Roman times).
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2012-12-08, 01:18 | Link #158 |
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China has already blocked export of rare earth metals and when world oil reserves start to decline you can bet the USA will hog oil exports (they blocked oil to japan before WWII and we know what happened next) which will make whatever oil reserve that region has into strategical reserves.
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2012-12-08, 02:06 | Link #159 | |
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To close down the subject of oil reserves (and also rare earth metals from mines in Quebec), the Canadian government should have found a way to nationalize the whole shit at home or find ways to keep it safe within our hands instead of selling it to companies mostly owned by China. If anyone thinks that the sale to China doesn't represent a risk to national security, that person is deluded when all signs are pointing towards Cold War II minimum at this rate. For the record, the arms race has already begun and I find it hard to believe this is something you can hide under the rug considering how they started by having a shot at Japan and the Philippines. I only wish Germans and Japanese are more involved on this rare earth materials market as more trustworthy clients if any. At least, they are not at risk with a military force getting greedier and earning more funds every year passing by. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2012-12-08 at 02:16. Reason: changed a few phrases |
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2012-12-08, 02:54 | Link #160 | |
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Ok seriously. I can see selling telecom to Chinese companies a security risk. The Chinese are long known for spying and hacking all across the world, even if they deny it. Giving them the control of telecom infrastructure means they get to be the middleman of communications inside the US. But I don't see a similar risk for oil and minerals. The natural resources will still remain where they are. Whoever operates them are subject to the same laws and regulations. And in the unfortunate scenario where the West and China enter another cold war, Canadian government still holds the final power to take the ownership back, or at least ban exports to China. |
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