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How else would you expect a judge to evaluate the case, without also taking into consideration the credibility of the witnesses for both sides? |
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2013-07-08, 11:48 | Link #29304 | ||
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What it is hoping for is that Americans accept that it is a necessary evil. And the jury is still out on that decision. Well, maybe not, judging by the kinds of responses dominating the airwaves and headlines. Here's another working example of why the credibility of a plaintiff is important: Singapore rules US death a suicide, but suspicions linger Quote:
Yet his parents continue to insist there is a conspiracy. So, it now comes down to their word against that of the governments of Singapore and the United States. Who do you think is the more credible witness? Your decision would be influenced by your biases. If you're the kind who believes that all governments routinely lie, are corrupt, and are out to kill people who try to expose them, then yes, of course the Todds have been wronged by the evil Singapore and US governments. We must demand further investigation! Or, you can go through the facts of the case as laid out by the coroner's inquiry and accept that the grieving parents should learn to simply let go and not pursue this any further than necessary. Whose "truth" would you accept? |
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2013-07-08, 12:11 | Link #29305 | |
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2013-07-08, 12:16 | Link #29306 | ||
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2013-07-08, 12:27 | Link #29307 | |
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2013-07-08, 12:27 | Link #29308 | |
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But that is the incorrect answer. For example, I believe in the right for the U.S to tap Chinese Embassies or French Government HQ, or the Kremlin. People do it all the time (Especial Israel in the U.S) But they cross the line when they start bugging foreign national civilians. Tapping into Chinese Universities or German Telephone companies all for the sake of tapping. Then we are really literally stepping in Big Brother State. As for tapping U.S civilians' online information....well, China does it. But since when is U.S using China as a standard for privacy?
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2013-07-08, 12:45 | Link #29309 | ||
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2013-07-08, 12:58 | Link #29310 |
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Liberal Jewish women activists blocked at Western Wall
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9670I420130708 Exclusive: U.S. system for flagging hazardous chemicals is widely flawed http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9670K720130708
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2013-07-08, 13:02 | Link #29311 | |
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Because, honestly, who's to care about hazardous chemicals so long as they aren't affected by it?
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2013-07-08, 13:11 | Link #29312 | |
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American hacked to death over $1.60 cab fare, Thai police say
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2013-07-08, 14:13 | Link #29313 |
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You think that's bad? Get a load of this one:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23215676
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ewwww....gross man. human are so CRAZY these days.
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2013-07-09, 00:37 | Link #29317 | |
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Japan says it faces increasing threat from China, N. Korea
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2013-07-09, 05:17 | Link #29318 |
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Bin Laden's life on the run revealed by Pakistani inquiry
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96714L20130709 U.S. considers pulling all troops from Afghanistan: officials http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96803T20130709
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2013-07-09, 05:35 | Link #29319 | |
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I think you chose a bad examples there. In your example above, the only fact/truth is that police guy shot the unarmed Vietcong suspect without trial in the middle of the street. Then after he was shot dead, he was "discovered" to be a mass murderers who happened to dig a mass-grave for 7 different polices and their families in the middle of bloody war zone because of.... he want to pay respect to those he killed?? Can the dead guy still deny that charge by then? And his wife conveniently acknowledge his role in the massacre as well without any possible gain other than resentment from general population (assume that she is not water-boarded before admitting those charge). This is an exact case of how the truth can be twisted/rejustified by changing the motivations of the doer. Making the killer to be a lawful angel while silencing the dead guy, before making him the worst scum on Earth The only way you can draw parallel with this case is if Snowden actually killed every single member of US senator before brought out PRISM and accusing them of spying on their own citizen. Then yes, maybe we needed to look at Snowden motivations because there is no other party to speak against it.
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2013-07-09, 06:08 | Link #29320 | ||
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Was there due process? No. Was it wrong? Yes, such summary executions could constitute a war crime. The key here, is not whether the context behind the execution excuses the potential crime. The end does not justify the means. No, the crux of the question is, now that you know the full story, would you still look at the general as a hardcore criminal who had absolute disregard for the Geneva Convention? As an armchair commentator, it's easy to cast blame. I guarantee you, however, if you were there, in the general's shoes, at that moment in time, it wouldn't so easy to make the "right" call. My point simply is that, not knowing the "big picture", not knowing the full reasons why extensive surveillance like Prism is needed to prevent acts of terrorism, it's impossible for us to fully evaluate its pros and cons. The US government doesn't deny that Prism exists. But it is trying to defend its necessity. It's up to Americans to decide whether it has gone too far. And I'm saying that, in truth, such a decision is impossible for ordinary Americans to make fairly. For most people, it's an unacceptable invasion of privacy. But then, we'll never know the reasons that purportedly made such a system necessary, because they are classified secrets. Information that President Obama would have, but is legally unable to divulge. At least, not now. Let me ask simply: Is spying wrong in principle? Yes or no? If you said "No, it depends", then the next inevitable question would be, "Well, how much spying is too much?" That is the question that Americans would have to answer for themselves. It would be nice if foreigners had a say in it, too, but obviously that's not going to happen, even though we are the ones who are actually worse affected. To me, the answer was never "Yes, spying is categorically wrong" to begin with. Anyone who believes otherwise needs a crash course in realpolitik. |
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