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2004-05-21, 23:16 | Link #103 | |
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Koi Kaze is (partially) about a guy who wants to have sex with his sister. He has fantasized about it, we know it's in his mind (and hers). That makes the show about incest and how he's dealing with that feeling. He doesn't have to have sex with her for the show to be about incest, only for the show to contain incest. Alternatively, KGNE contains sex, but I wouldn't say it is about sex at all. |
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2004-05-25, 09:48 | Link #105 |
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i am not sure?
just because "GENEON USA is listed in the credits", does that mean its going to come out in america? because i don't know, i can't really see koi kaze hitting the dvd stands and being a huge sucess story.
i know that i have only seen about half the story, but i am positive that after episode 4, a good majority might not continue no matter how the story ends up. Spoiler:
but, no doubt there is us support for this title, but if there is never going to be dvds, should there never be fansubs? and if there is never going to be release for this title, what about other titles? ***a little bit off topic*** lastly, if they did release koi kaze ... who here would watch it? do you think there would be some kind of warning on the package "incestious content"? do you think the dvd would have to specify the plot, or would they let unsuspecting viewers stumble onto this story? if you were in a suncoast and saw a guy/girl buying koi kaze, would you maybe say something to them or just think weird thoughts about them. |
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2004-05-25, 16:08 | Link #107 |
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I don't think "Geneon USA" in the credits automatically means a North American release. I think it simply means that Geneon USA fronted some money for the production. They may very well be planning to make that money back in Japan and have no interest in bringing it to America. Then again, they may already have an automatic license to release it in America and it therefore may not cost them much to do so and may be worth it. Just guessing of course.
Animesuki feels that it will most likely come to America so fansubs wont be listed here. They are guessing, too. I know I'd buy the series if they released it here. I don't judge people on what they are purchasing, I don't usually pay any attention to it. Unless they are buying Dragonball, then they suck. I doubt there would be a warning on it. Do they even give age ratings on anime DVDs? Buyer beware if you pick up something you know nothing about and it's something that discusts you (of course I say that knowing how likely it is that they will blame everyone but themselves for what they saw and try to start a big uproar about it). |
2004-05-25, 19:56 | Link #108 | |
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2004-05-26, 10:59 | Link #110 | |
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My guess is the US release of Koikaze will get a '13-up' rating (see below). I am pretty confident it will come stateside. Otherwise I'll be forking out money for the region-2 release.
Geneon USA and a few other publishers such as Bandai and CPM use a fairly elaborate rating system on all of their titles, although the descriptions associated with each of the levels are quite vague. Quote:
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2004-05-26, 11:25 | Link #111 |
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Bandai and Anime Works use the same rating symbols, I assume it's some standard. I took at look at my DVDs. Noir has an age rating, but FMP (which was the only one I had checked when I asked if any had a rating) does not. Both are ADV, and Noir is a bit older. I suppose they don't have to rate them at all.
EDIT: Well son of a... They did rate FMP. The first DVD has no rating, I suppose that's because it came with the box. The rating is on the bottom of the box where it can be seen in a store. So don't mind me, I'm apparently going on about nothing. Episode 7 was another great one. Just when I'm thinking it's such a pleasant and beautiful show- Spoiler:
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I truly adore this show. It's a love story first and foremost, and like all good love stories, or any kind of good story for that matter, it has to have a conflict and it happens to be blood relation and age difference. I think the author has done a wonderful job of building a believable story with realistic characters and grounds it with layer upon layer of nuance. I see no fan service at all. The "salacious" details are there to move the story along in a realistic fashion. Others in this thread have pointed that out quite succinctly. To say the show is "about" pedophilia or incest is to miss the point completely. Koshiro isn't a pedophile, we're even given a dyed in the wool character that is to show us the difference. It's true that he has fallen in love with his sister, but the process began before he knew he was related to her through an intense moment of intimacy, something we find is alien to the cool hearted fella. Even though he is nearly 30 he has never been in love before "from the bottom of his heart" so in the end this is really a first love story for both of them which brings us around to the much ballyhooed "bra sniffing". I think anyone that doesn't understand the impulse to take in the scent of the one they desire has never really been in love. Smell is the most primal of our senses and linked the closest with our emotional center. Again, he doesn't go looking for it, but finds himself in a situation unable to resit an impulse, not to mention he had been drinking. He's not a bra sniffer by nature, he just happens to be in love with the one wearing that particular bra. The scene is meant to show the depth of his passion, not his perversion, and I think the terrible bout of self loathing that comes later supports this. I think anyone who enjoys solid characters, beautifully rendered scenes and the soul deep and bittersweet longing that comes with first love will enjoy this series. It's real a gem in my opinion. |
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think the point of the show is incest. The show, to me, is about emotional conflict both internal and external. They use the theme of incest as the conduit for that. If Nanoka were 25 and not related, we wouldn't have a show.
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I also like the way Nanoka is built as a character as well. She's not a short-skirted 15 year old sex kitten looking for love like her friends are shown to be to a certian degree, (again to show us the difference I think) Her slow awakening to her feelings are beautifully true to life, and a pleasure to watch unfold despite the tragedy that can be sensed looming on the horizon. |
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2004-05-26, 23:19 | Link #115 | |
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2004-05-27, 00:38 | Link #116 | |
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Judging by the scans from the manga posted earlier in the thread it seems we are left to decide how it all turns out in the end. |
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Ahh, the realism, the drama...! I love realistic animes like this. Quote:
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i am not saying i don't enjoy this show. i like this show very much, very much.
after reading the comments, i dont know if people watch the show for the same reason i do? or are they? who is looking forward to the tragic conclusion? this show is about suffering; he suffering constantly in his confusion? these feelings he is discovering inside his heart aren't warm and fuzzy, they only cause him pain and anger. you watch to see him writhe, to be driven further into his corner. in a love story don't you hope the two people to over come obstacles and get together, even though they can't? do you hope these two get together? if he sucumbs would you still approve because he has found love? if he falls in love afterwards because he can feel real intimacy, do you think he would wish that person was his sister that he cant have, instead of this other woman he has to settle for? if there was a live action version would you still like this show, would you like the show more? if a co-worker told you that he fell in love with his sister and it was really helping him to open up his heart, would you say "good for you"? |
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