2010-05-22, 21:25 | Link #6841 |
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Let's see.
Hayate-Almost always alone, and did everything by himself as a child. Had some parasitic parents that sucked him dry. Got Abandoned when he was no more use. Nagi-Dead parents since childhood. Klaus and Himegami was there, and eventually Maria came. Hina-Got abandoned since childhood. Had a great sister who was always there for her. Was adoped later by loving parents. Maria-Got abandoned since birth. Was adopted. Mikado seems to be very fond of her. Living with Nagi eventually. Ayumu--ehhh? Nothing happened. Athena-Dead parents since childhood. Cursed by God and was trapped alone. Always in solitude. Did everything by herself as a child to climb up from level 1. Tragic childhood rating. Ayumu<Maria<Hina<Nagi<Hayate<Athena |
2010-05-23, 01:11 | Link #6842 |
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Have we forgotten that Hina is only implied to have had a 'decent' life for the last year-or-so, solely on her own. She was shown crying in one of the glimpses of her younger years, and her sister was her only seeming comfort, was likely not around for several years while she was attempting to repay the debt. She knows what Hayate's life was like by empathy, something none of the other characters are shown to understand, possibly by hardening their hearts to others. Only Hina is shown to have kept a factor of emotion through her trials.
Sakuya and Ayumu are probably the only ones with a decent past family life, and Sakuya seems to be the only one with a positive outlook (and it's hinted that she only has that because she's trained herself that way.). This isn't a story where the characters have happy family lives.
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2010-05-23, 02:32 | Link #6843 | |
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In my opinion, Maria isn't really a tragic character too. She did not grow up in despair, but in luxury. She was already adopted when she was still a baby, which I doubt she would remember, so her tragic past isn't quite so tragic after all lest Maria wants to desperately see her real parents and suffer while searching for them. Therefore, Hina < Nagi < Athena < this is a space occupying text since there is no friggin tab button but hey the guys who run this site said f*ck me and i said hurr durr Hayate
Lol, nobody has a shittier life than Hayate himself, where the whole world takes pleasure in his despair rather than weep with him, like the girls whom we cry for so much for their past. Cries in a corner for Hayate Sob sob Hurr durr
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2010-05-23, 03:06 | Link #6844 | |
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She can be bossy indeed, and while many tsunderes are bossy, being bossy doesn't make a character tsundere. Either way, I haven't been able to find any spoilers. ;_;
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2010-05-23, 05:23 | Link #6845 |
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This discussion is making me think a lot about Ayumu. I think Ayumu belongs in her own special zone. She managed to break the barriers of being a normal person and staying a normal person in a highly abnormal situation. Ever try to take a normal person and put them in a stressful situation? It's not a pretty sight. It's even more abnormal for the normal person with a normal life with normal friends and normal expectations to VOLUNTARILY leave normalcy for abnormalcy without any big external life-changing event happening.
In a way Hina, Athena, and Hayate had terrible lives and thus were forced by their environment to get where they are. Ayumu kinda just choose to go there just because, she's Ayumu! Nagi probably belongs in her own special area too though the current chapter will explain more about her situation. Wasn't there a post somewhere here which said somewhere back that said as Maria's history is slowly revealed, the main plot of this story will go forward? Maria is a rather major character. Chapter 1 did happened on December 24th. |
2010-05-23, 09:29 | Link #6846 | ||
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I don't think Yukiji would left her sister alone, even if she were to doing those various jobs, especially not after they got abandoned by their parents. It would be absurd if Yujiki were to let that happened again. Off tangent: The only feeling Hayate and Hina possibly have in similar was the abandonment of their parents. However, how they felt about the matter was different, since Hayate already understood as a 16 years old and possibly realized it'll happen sooner or later whereas Hina didn't understand anything as a child. Hayate said there will be no second chance for his parents (had something to do with Athena I assume), but Hina kept on wondering why they abandoned her. I won't say Hina knows what's Hayate's life was like because she don't really know what he had gone through as a child; he was abandoned at 16 year old unlike her who's at 6 year of age, and he was working as a butler immediately. Athena, on the other hand, knew much more than Hina what his life's like and will be like, since she actually knew what Hayate's parents were like (through the mirror) and even correctly predicted what will happen to him in the future. And she probably understood the loneliness he would felt. Quote:
Similar case can be said for Athena since assassinations happened day and night for her where she had to deal with everything herself. At least, he still had his parents and had some hope. ^.^ I would say she is a matured tsundere, not a typical one like Nagi and Hina. Last edited by zodanhko; 2010-05-23 at 10:48. |
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2010-05-23, 15:45 | Link #6847 | |
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If the character didn't hide her feelings with aggression at some point, then that's not a tsundere. Athena never, not even once, hid her feelings from Hayate.
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2010-05-23, 16:43 | Link #6848 | |
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2010-05-24, 01:35 | Link #6849 |
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I'm pretty sure that Hinagiku's adoptive parents paid the debt for them when they took the sisters in. Although I can't remember which scene it was, I think either Hinagiku or Yukiji told Hayate how they were adopted.
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2010-05-24, 01:42 | Link #6850 | |
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Though Mr. Katsura is said to be fond of Yukiji. Maybe she convinced him to pay off the last of the debt, which she had planned to get from pawning her guitar, after returning from the Pawn Shop (with Athena's ring?). I think we were told in the council room on Hina's b-day if someone wants to check.
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2010-05-24, 05:45 | Link #6851 | |
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2010-05-24, 08:31 | Link #6852 |
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Thus. Hayate goes back to square one and does not know that Athena would be coming back to "claim" him. So we could still say that she goes with the rule of tsundere.
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2010-05-24, 08:45 | Link #6853 |
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Athena was always being straightforward in expressing her desires, may be through hints or directly. However, she'll be tsundere about it if Hayate was the one who takes the initiative, like when he kissed her during the training or in the example I gave.
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2010-05-24, 13:51 | Link #6855 | |
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Hina is most likely a tsundere while Maria is a bit devious. And Hayate very dumb as soon as it is about maiden feelings. IMO, Athena and Hayate had the most painful childhoods because they were alone and in dangerous situations while Hina got her sister, Nagi got Klaus, Tama, Maria, ... |
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2010-05-24, 18:31 | Link #6856 |
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Athena as a Yangire?
You say that because of the incident at The End of the World? If had read well the manga, you should already know that vioent actitude was Midas's fault, in the same way he influenced her to attack Hayate when Isumi comes to rescue him... |
2010-05-24, 20:22 | Link #6857 | |
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I wonder which is going to be painful, to have shit parents that would suck the sanity out of you or have no parents at all? One might be different from the viewpoint from another but I keep wondering if Hayate and Athena exchange places.
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2010-05-24, 23:26 | Link #6858 |
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I think to be trapped in a place where you believed to be for eternity in solitude after your parents were dead as a 6 year old is unimaginable and could easily turned anyone insane. I would think that's worst or equivalence to the insanity Hayate's parents brought him through constantly lying and made used of him.
Let's say who's the unluckiest girl and unluckiest guy instead? Everybody wins except for them. And ends this with the unluckiest girl+the unluckiest guy in the series become one lucky and happy couple. |
2010-05-24, 23:43 | Link #6859 | |
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Her final chapter hints that she is of the latter. Although she wasn't entirely alone.. she did have Midas around.. And Hayate is far from the unluckiest guy. He has a harem of girls fully willing to become his slaves if he asked them to. Kotarou is probably the series' unluckiest guy
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2010-05-25, 00:05 | Link #6860 | |
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Technically, she was alone. But really, having Midas around is either nothing or worst, and he won't keep her from the meaning of isolation. I think everybody in HnG and even Hata agreed to Hayate's power of unluckiness. ^.^ |
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