2011-09-09, 16:13 | Link #16381 |
Me, An Intellectual
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I don't really care whether Nato will defend Turkey or not...well I do it's just that I still don't know enough about that subject.
I just think it's not ethical for Turkey to be so openly hostile like that. It only further complicates the need for Israel and Arab (I know Turkey isn't Arab but still) countries to get along, because Israel only really knows how to respond to open hostility in one way. To Netanyahu it's always been "destroy or be destroyed" as we saw when he frequently criticised Rabin for working together with Arafat. I don't know if that mentality is still that strong in Israel but I think it's still significant.
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2011-09-09, 16:18 | Link #16382 | |
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lubriciously so, in fact, and FAR more so then during Rabins time.
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2011-09-09, 16:22 | Link #16384 | |
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2011-09-09, 16:23 | Link #16385 |
Um-Shmum
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the assassination part had nothing to do with the "destroy or be destroyed" mentality. it was more about religious fundamentalism regarding Rabins willingness to "give away our god promised land" or similar shit.
the "DOBD" mentality on the other hand, is completely prevalent among the Israeli public, including the non-fundamentalist and even non-religious parts of it.
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2011-09-09, 16:30 | Link #16387 | |
Um-Shmum
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he crossed a line that goes WELL beyond of simple fundamentalism, and his excuses matter to no one.
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2011-09-09, 16:34 | Link #16388 |
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There is "danger to Jews" on the religious level, the cultural level, the ethnic level, and the nationality level. There is also the simpler nationality standpoint of an Israeli for Israel, and the national secuity aspect that goes with it. All have various kinds of fanatics and mentalities. Much like any other nation or religion.
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2011-09-09, 16:38 | Link #16389 | |
Um-Shmum
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and the normal crazy paranoid thats common to the majority of the Israeli public.
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2011-09-09, 17:45 | Link #16390 | |
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And... no matter how you spin it this is the simple truth. Like it or not.
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2011-09-09, 17:50 | Link #16391 | |
I disagree with you all.
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2011-09-09, 18:01 | Link #16392 | |
Not Enough Sleep
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there is no need for 2 apex predators on the same food chain.
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2011-09-09, 18:32 | Link #16393 |
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It's the "destroy or be destroyed mentality" that is the problem with Israel. It just means things will never end. Not only that, but it's only isolating Israel further and further from the International community.
As for Judaism, probably the biggest danger to Judaism outside Israel is actually Assimilation. I myself am the product of Jewish mother and Catholic Father. I have some feeling of Jewish identity, but I doubt my own children ever will. Jews are simply going to assimilate themselves out of existence, until only the Orthodox and Chasidim are left. Jewish identity outside Israel is only weakening. How many people speak Yiddish anymore? |
2011-09-09, 19:08 | Link #16394 |
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Tony Blair calls for regime change in Iran and Syria
"Tony Blair calls for regime change in Iran and Syria as he blames Tehran for
prolonging the conflict in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. In an interview to mark the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, the former prime minister warns that the Middle East would be "very, very badly" destabilised if Iran acquired nuclear weapons." See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nge-iran-syria |
2011-09-09, 19:34 | Link #16395 | |
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What really matters is spirituality, which boils down to your level of awareness. Your understanding of universal laws is what matters, and in order to reach a high level if spirituality one must use reason as tool to reach underssanding of the the environment. Having said that, mathematics is the use of logic and reason, therefore, base on elementary reasoning one cannot be highly powerful but laking in awareness; you would self destroy long before that happens. Of course I don't expect you to agree with anything I said as you have always shown. So let it be.
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2011-09-09, 21:09 | Link #16396 |
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What Monkeys Can Teach You About Money
A study done by Yale researchers has shown that our close relatives use money in very similar ways to humans. I would certainly have assumed this to be the case, but fascinating nonetheless. Yet another study showing how our evolutionary history directly impacts the way we behave, and live. |
2011-09-09, 21:19 | Link #16397 |
Gamilas Falls
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I would question the result of higher technology being able to result in better poeple. While it is true that we've managed to remove some of the more brutal elements from personal society, the most advanced peoples on the planet have caused some of the costliest wars in history. Who was the most technologically advanced peoples on Earth in say 1940? Who where the most advanced in 1960?
Just because a species has not managed to destroy itself when it can does not relate to spiritual awareness. It relates to self preservation. The United States and Soviet Union were not the peak of spirituality, yet they did not blow up the planets...and they very well could have with the numbers of nuclear weapons they had in the 1960s. The United States, Russia, and China probably can still kill all life on this planet, and yet have not done so. I would not characterize any politician of any of those counties as being spiriually aware of anything.
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2011-09-09, 21:39 | Link #16398 |
Knight Errant
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For those of you saying morality is a subjective thing, I think you'll find that the vast majority of humanity agrees on 90% on matters of morality. It's only the specifics where people disagree.
Everyone agrees that it's wrong to kill your grandmother, except Hindus believe your grandmother could be a cow, and other might believe it's no longer wrong to "kill" her if she happens to be brain dead. |
2011-09-09, 23:32 | Link #16399 |
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Egyptian protesters pull down Israel embassy wall
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7885PH20110909
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2011-09-10, 03:32 | Link #16400 |
Me, An Intellectual
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I also believe Israel have been extremely excessive in that mentality and that it needs to be curbed, but really Turkey acting hostile is only going to further strengthen that mentality. That's my problem with Turkey's reaction.
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