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TJR · 2009-12-31, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Yoko Takeo

DEEN doesn't exactly have the best track record for being loyal to the manga adaptations.

The problem with that kind of assessment is that faithfulness to a source isn't always in the hands of the anime studio. You have sponsors, publishers, directors, writers, and time/budget constraints (i.e. no money to do all the elaborate action scenes? Cut them out and deliver new material) all influencing how an adaptation is shaped. In fact, I'd wager that the studio has much less influence over story content than any of the above. Virtually every studio in the business has been blamed for drastic deviations from sources, so it's a ubiquitous complaint that's universal to the industry (since most projects don't get the funding of a top-class I.G. or KyoAni series).

Anyway, for all the disappointing titles Deen has put out, they also have quite a lengthy line of reputable shows: Hetalia, Junjou Romantica, Maria Watches Over Us, Read or Die, Kyo kara Maoh!, Hell Girl......Simoun (highly acclaimed), Touka Gettan, and Yami to Bōshi to Hon no Tabibito also showed off some extremely creative minds.

You don't remain so prolific in the business unless you're generally reliable.

vandakiara · 2009-12-31, 15:41

It's not really Deen - it has to do with their staff... Take Chiaki Kon for example.... Worst director ever - if this adaptation were to fall into her hands, I'd be raging all over the place (like I did with umineko)...

As it's SHAFT and Shinbo, all is fine in the world to me 8'D
I'll never forget the GREAT adaptation they did with Ef. (didn't really like Bakemonogatari sorry)

Revenger1589 · 2009-12-31, 15:49

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Originally Posted by vandakiara

It's not really Deen - it has to do with their staff... Take Chiaki Kon for example.... Worst director ever - if this adaptation were to fall into her hands, I'd be raging all over the place (like I did with umineko)...

As it's SHAFT and Shinbo, all is fine in the world to me 8'D
I'll never forget the GREAT adaptation they did with Ef. (didn't really like Bakemonogatari sorry)

Ef was so good because Shinbo wasn't the director, he's good for some kind of anime but terrible for others. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in Vampire Bund for his excellent work on Cosette.

vandakiara · 2009-12-31, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Revenger1589

Ef was so good because Shinbo wasn't the director, he's good for some kind of anime but terrible for others. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in Vampire Bund for his excellent work on Cosette.

I was convinced Shinbo had worked on Ef

oh well... still... I'll give SHAFT a chance 8'D

Revenger1589 · 2009-12-31, 15:58

He did, but just as a supervisor, Oonuma was the director. In my opinion Shaft works better when Shinbo is the series director and Onuma takes care of directing the individual episodes.

SquirrelLuvsPnut · 2010-01-04, 16:54

New insert. Head over to Minitokyo for the full sized one.

ShadowThingy · 2010-01-05, 01:08

Cant wait till the 7th, anyone know if any sub groups are picking this up?

Also, kinda sad to hear there's only 12 episodes.

Kaoru Chujo · 2010-01-05, 10:54

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Originally Posted by ShadowThingy

Cant wait till the 7th, anyone know if any sub groups are picking this up?...(

The Who Subs What wiki lists three definite groups and one possible: Yuurisan-Subs, Kesenai Subtitles?, gg, Hatsuyuki.

The wiki is where groups interested in doing the show let other groups know they are doing it. I also put that info in my preview blog posts for each season. See link in sig below.

germanturkey · 2010-01-06, 14:39

GG said they'd be doing this. but you never know with them. the drama is why i like that group.

anyways, it airs "today" in japan, so i'm rather excited.

sirn · 2010-01-06, 21:42

The first episode was a better introduction episode than I expected, though how they handled the episode is way unexpected. I love how the story connected with the omake Dance with the Vampire Maid at the end.

And as expected, it was A.C.G.T.'s episode right from the start.

uis · 2010-01-07, 00:10

No manga material and this is TV SHOW not anime...
*SHAFT IS SUPER TROLL*

Oh well after Mina appear i think this show turn better...

HayashiTakara · 2010-01-07, 00:53

12 episodes?! *head explodes*

Don't tell me they're gonna butcher this series the way Gonzo butchered R+V?!

Fuze · 2010-01-07, 01:04

Heh.. interesting way of introduction. The first episode is such a tease.

Raiga · 2010-01-07, 01:05

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT.

Haha I can honestly say that caught me completely off guard and had me confused for at least the first five minutes. Wow, Shaft, just... wow.

Loved it, if for the unexpectedness alone.

serenade_beta · 2010-01-07, 01:12

(#-_-)...

Spoiler for ep1:

orion · 2010-01-07, 01:30

I kept wondering if I was watching the right show....

Spoiler for ep. 1:

Kunagisa · 2010-01-07, 01:47

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Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep1:

Same thing with Bakemonogatari I guess ...

Anyway, SHAFT'd sums it up entirely.

cynicalicious · 2010-01-07, 02:12

Spoiler for ep 1:

bigdeath · 2010-01-07, 02:49

Well, I've read the Manga and I have to say why couldn't they just start with that? The first 2 ch. would have been a perfect start.......

WHY this.......

Fenrir_valindri · 2010-01-07, 03:13

I have no clue who was responsible for the decision to air a filler episode as the first episode for this anime, but that was terrible waste of time and completely unnecessary and whoever is responsible should be fired.

Honestly, the introduction chapters in the Manga were a good starting point, I don't see why they are trolling the fanbase of this show from the very first episode.

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2010-01-07, 00:10	Link #231
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2010-01-07, 00:53	Link #232
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2010-01-07, 01:05	Link #234
Raiga tl;dr Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 32	WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT. Haha I can honestly say that caught me completely off guard and had me confused for at least the first five minutes. Wow, Shaft, just... wow. Loved it, if for the unexpectedness alone. __________________

2010-01-07, 01:12	Link #235
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	(#-_-)... Spoiler for ep1: Yeah... No. That was waaaaaaay too dragged out. The way they decided to start the series was interesting, with a TV show and all, but it spent way too much time on it. It felt long enough at the 4 minute mark, but to think it would go to the 14-17 minute line... Oh boy, that was a dull... I almost wondered if this was the right anime... The rest... Well, you can't really tell what the anime will be like from just this, huh. Besides that it's kind of...... Heh... Nevermind. Assuming something as stupid as this long, drawn-out episode doesn't happen next time, everything starts there... I wonder if the staff can make this more interesting than the manga... The ED... Absolutely no movement? Didn't make it on time? Song isn't that great. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2009-12-31, 15:58	Link #225
Revenger1589 otaku against own will Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Argentina Age: 37	He did, but just as a supervisor, Oonuma was the director. In my opinion Shaft works better when Shinbo is the series director and Onuma takes care of directing the individual episodes.

2010-01-04, 16:54	Link #226
SquirrelLuvsPnut Kill on sight Join Date: Apr 2007	New insert. Head over to Minitokyo for the full sized one.

2010-01-05, 01:08	Link #227
ShadowThingy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Cant wait till the 7th, anyone know if any sub groups are picking this up? Also, kinda sad to hear there's only 12 episodes.

2010-01-06, 21:42	Link #230
sirn 田舎者言うな Join Date: Jan 2006	The first episode was a better introduction episode than I expected, though how they handled the episode is way unexpected. I love how the story connected with the omake Dance with the Vampire Maid at the end. And as expected, it was A.C.G.T.'s episode right from the start.

2010-01-07, 01:04	Link #233
Fuze Member Join Date: Jan 2009	Heh.. interesting way of introduction. The first episode is such a tease.

2010-01-07, 01:30	Link #236
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	I kept wondering if I was watching the right show.... Spoiler for ep. 1: then I saw Mina in the audience. Need to subs to see why they used a TV show to unmask that monster. Guess they weren't on time for the ED animation for this series too. __________________

2010-01-07, 02:12	Link #238
cynicalicious I like pie. Join Date: Nov 2004	Spoiler for ep 1: Yeah, this sort of thing would be fine for a preview episode, but for episode 1?!? Seriously? At first I had thought I had downloaded a troll raw or something. Being unconventional is fine when you have weak material... but the source material is good enough not to need to be SHAFT-ed around with to that extent. It's not like they have 24-26 episodes to play with anymore, and now they've already wasted one to unmask some random character... sigh They could have nailed that whole exposition in about 3-5 minutes, to be honest, and we could have just gone from there, you know, to the actual story.

2010-01-07, 02:49	Link #239
bigdeath Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007	Well, I've read the Manga and I have to say why couldn't they just start with that? The first 2 ch. would have been a perfect start....... WHY this.......

2010-01-07, 03:13	Link #240
Fenrir_valindri Miria's #1 Disciple Join Date: Apr 2007	I have no clue who was responsible for the decision to air a filler episode as the first episode for this anime, but that was terrible waste of time and completely unnecessary and whoever is responsible should be fired. Honestly, the introduction chapters in the Manga were a good starting point, I don't see why they are trolling the fanbase of this show from the very first episode. __________________