Claymore - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[miroku2192]

who cares! sacrifices have to be made~~ PUAHHAHahahHA

besides...awakened beings are scarier than stupid yomas...or send raki and use him as bait/ make him stall for time

[cors8]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

pfft if they assemble all 47 claymores...they're bound to fricking kill priscialla or the other former #1 ranked claymores

Not even Rubel is confident of the outcome, as he mentioned earlier.

[Negativedark]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

pfft if they assemble all 47 claymores...they're bound to fricking kill priscialla or the other former #1 ranked claymores

It'd most likly fall into the Phyric victory catagory. Sure they may have killed one of them, but in the process say they lose all the top five, and many of the lower ranks. After they sucessfully kill an Abysall, are the others going to just sit back? They could well think that the Org is a real threat to them now, and rather than wait for the org to rebuild, they'll attack while it's weak and crush it. If they consider the threat big enough they may even team up to wipe the org out. So right now what you have is a delecate balence of powers.

[chucky]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Exactly - and what argument is that certain people on certain other forum do not like something or someone? Why should this be relevant on this forum? As for being obliged to agree with the mass opinion, I was obviously exaggerating and making fun of your 2ch argument, of course it doesn't oblige anyone to agree but it's kind of redundant as everyone and everything has its detractors, seiyuus not excluded.

No, that's not what I was talking about.....
Nevermind....

[jor8888]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

pfft if they assemble all 47 claymores...they're bound to fricking kill priscialla or the other former #1 ranked claymores

U are wrong, they assembled #2-#5 and they couldnt kill Teresa. A very powerful Awaken can take out #6-#47 in 1 shot. Only #1-#5 got some real skill to last a few round with Awaken.

[Lendial]

claymores past 10 ish really would just be in the way. while it sounds impressive to assemble the entire claymore army and go all out, 3/4th of that army is just dead weight anyways so they are just assembling the top 10.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by B-day

Are we going to see more Galatea fanboys?

Yes. Me.

As others have pointed out, I like people who know how to get jobs done with a touch of class and elegance.

Teresa may have been in a league of her own, but I found her too arrogant. Besides, she had issues of her own that would have made for an interesting character study, but unfortunately, most fans prefer to focus on her "awesomeness" instead. Ah well, different strokes for different people.

Let's see, this episode was "full of win" for me. We had Galatea strutting her stuff like only Miss Claymore can (yes, I'm plugging for her shamelessly; that's what fanbois do). We had good dialogue, and humorous banter between Galatea, Dauf and Riful. We are shown once again that Clare, despite her "power-ups", still has a lot to learn about anger management, which is good -- it means that there remains room for further character development. And, we got a first glimpse of a pretty butterfly.

I was almost ready to give this episode my very first 10, but:

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

As for the animation, this show consistently gets a "B" from me like most Madhouse shows, technically above-average but lacking that certain creative spark that earns an "A."

Once again, as other detractors have pointed out, the faces were again horribly mauled in certain scenes. The most glaring example (it actually turned up twice) was when the camera focuses on Galatea and Clare -- arrgh, they were so horribly drawn.

This has been a consistent problem throughout this anime series. Which is a real shame, compared to the source material. But, I don't want to sound like a broken record repeating stuff that I've said before elsewhere, so I'll stop here.

But I do agree with this:

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

I think the animation is more than adequate to support an excellent story and appealing characters (Raki included). People who have already read the manga might have animated the show in their imaginations and have found the actual product less appealing. I don't carry that burden.

And I guess it helps that I've forgotten a lot of what I've read now, so I didn't even notice the glaring omissions in Riful's dialogue. The bit where she explains the relationship between humans and Claymore warriors, and the bit where she reveals something interesting about Priscilla. Heheheh, aging has its benefits. I forget inconvenient truths a lot faster.

Oh yeah, a high 9 from me. Would have been 9.5, but too bad, the poll only accepts round numbers.

[Gavrielo]

It got a 10 from me since MADHOUSE did a great job setting the tone, lighting, and actions in this episode, so I guess it made up some of the bad bits of graphics on faces. Maybe MADHOUSE wanted the claymores to look more ugly to show them as monsters? I dnno o_o, 'cause Riful looked fine compared to Clare and Galatea.

[thundrakkon]

So, from this episode, 3 super strong powers (Abyssals/Dwellers of the Deep) control 3 of the 4 regions. I guess the one region left, east, is controlled by the Organization? If not, then what power controls that region?

It is also interesting that the Dwellers of the Deep (DotD from now on), were quite nonchalant for the longest time. I guess they are more "if you don't do bother me, I won't bother you" type of attitude.

Which leads to the current situation. Why does the guy from the north suddenly decide to pick a fight with Riful? If they had the abilty, why didn't they organize earlier and attacked the Organization? Why choose other DotD's? What do they hope to gain?

My guess is that he's a guy, loves power, wants to show off, and rule the world. He found a powerful ally, almost as powerful as himself, and decided he had enough strength to follow through his ambitions. As for fighting Riful first, he figured she was the weakest. As for avoiding the organization, he figured they are too weak to really do anything to him. Well, these are my guesses...

[superzombie23]

"Once again, as other detractors have pointed out, the faces were again horribly mauled in certain scenes. The most glaring example (it actually turned up twice) was when the camera focuses on Galatea and Clare -- arrgh, they were so horribly drawn."

I gotta agree. Clare in the part where she's stabbing Duff's hand near her limit... she was ****ing ugly lmao.

[KiNA]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

So, from this episode, 3 super strong powers (Abyssals/Dwellers of the Deep) control 3 of the 4 regions. I guess the one region left, east, is controlled by the Organization? If not, then what power controls that region?

It is also interesting that the Dwellers of the Deep (DotD from now on), were quite nonchalant for the longest time. I guess they are more "if you don't do bother me, I won't bother you" type of attitude.

Which leads to the current situation. Why does the guy from the north suddenly decide to pick a fight with Riful? If they had the abilty, why didn't they organize earlier and attacked the Organization? Why choose other DotD's? What do they hope to gain?

My guess is that he's a guy, loves power, wants to show off, and rule the world. He found a powerful ally, almost as powerful as himself, and decided he had enough strength to follow through his ambitions. As for fighting Riful first, he figured she was the weakest. As for avoiding the organization, he figured they are too weak to really do anything to him. Well, these are my guesses...

Erm.. if you listen carefully they are pretty much peacefully happy in each of their region.. but the north guy flex his muscle with the arrival of Priscilla..

And as of why he choose Riful, well.. the other gal is farther away at south..

[herbert]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

So, from this episode, 3 super strong powers (Abyssals/Dwellers of the Deep) control 3 of the 4 regions. I guess the one region left, east, is controlled by the Organization? If not, then what power controls that region?

I guess you misunderstand something. None of Abyss ones control any territories at all (at least it is not implied in anime). The 3 AOs just stay there, eat there, and sleep there. All places are under control of mankind. In fact, all human,except Organization guys, know nothing about awaken beings, so not to say those AOs. So far, we know 47 claymores cover all 47 regions of the whole continent while average claymores know little to nothing about Abyss ones, it means AOs usually stay very quitely and show little interest in governmental power.

[silverstri]

Originally Posted by B-day

You know we can't answer these kind of thing on this thread.

well what can i say...

[herbert]

Originally Posted by silverstri

well what can i say...

Nothing you can say, but something you can do. If you really want to know, you can ask in correct thread.

[khryoleoz]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

As others have pointed out, I like people who know how to get jobs done with a touch of class and elegance.

Teresa may have been in a league of her own, but I found her too arrogant. Besides, she had issues of her own that would have made for an interesting character study, but unfortunately, most fans prefer to focus on her "awesomeness" instead. Ah well, different strokes for different people.

I found myself on the opposite camp and remain unimpressed with Galatea, though that is not to say I dislike her. Still, before we start commending her for getting jobs done with class and elegance, let us first see in the next episode or two whether she fulfills her duty to bring Clare back to the organization.

I'll acknowledge that one may ascribe to Teresa any measure of value as a matter of taste and that this is totally appropriate. Nevertheless, I'll risk the folly of arguing semantics in some attempt to honor the dearly departed. Pride and arrogance are synonymous depending on context, so I'll try to establish some context upon which I ground my thoughts. When Teresa expresses judgements about herself, they have only been (as so far shown) limited to an assessment of her abilities and of others in light of her own. The reader has come upon no thoughts or words she expressed implicating her to having kept a bloated view of her self-worth and self-importance. I'll dogmatically assert that the crime of pride isn't simply that of holding a lofty belief of oneself, but that it is held while the belief is at variance to the facts. Teresa is guilty of no such crime, as her expressed self-evaluations are pretty much right on the money. So arrogance is not a term reserved for people who simply state facts about themselves, but for two others, 1) those who hold such beliefs that are unmerited by the betrayal of facts, and 2) those who we find offensive for casually stating such facts from want of modesty.

I wholeheartedly agree that Teresa is a fascinating character study and would love to see her character explored in depth beyond simply more tales of "I'm a bad-ass". The choices she has made ever since meeting Clare suggests a history that's rich in drama. What did she find in Clare that moved her so? Why the half-baked, insincere attempt at losing her or the initial violence with which she tried to repel her? What were her own experiences that so evoked Clare's steadfast empathy? What might be in her past that she was ready to soil herself unto the lust of vermin, without second thought or protest to the mere idea had she any sense of pride and dignity? And in contrast to some other warrior whose imbalance and ill-conceived notions of justice led her to snap, what prompted a level-headed number one to choose to uphold meaningful equity in the face of certain human atrocities, however it contradicted a binding directive with capital consequences? At the current release rate, Yagi may be able to do more than just pander to fans by offering some substantive follow-ups to Teresa.

[Defiled one]

Youma feast. Imagine how much claymores would die in the battle. Youmas would go in a hunting spree.

No claymores. Paradise!

[ArmisaelXVIII]

Spoiler for Manga Volume 8 Pag 39 (About the lotacion of the Organization's HQ:

It's stated that it's in Sutafu. City of The Far east.

So, It makes sense that there is no Abyssal in east.

Riful say that It's not like they avoided conflict with each other. It's just that their territories don't overlap. So we can assume that otherwise there would be conflict over territories. They probably don't rule over their territory actively, but still behave territorially.

Spoiler for About The Strongest AB (This Spoiler will ruin the ending):

The Strongest Awakened being is Raki.

[herbert]

@ ArmisaelXVIII

I really don't think Riful implies they would fight each other if they are in one place. That is what Gelatea thinks, Riful just denies.



Edit: I thought your 1st spoiler was a future manga wisdom, but it turn out to be a thing they did not included in anime. My apology.

[kageyame]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes and no. Her gimmick was her reading of yoki to predict moves. But she also had 99% of Irene's speed, 99% of Noelle's agility, and 99% of Sophia's strength. It's all that that gave her the Number 1 spot.

Not only that, in the same episode that Irene says that, after seeing Teresa fight for real, she admits that Teresa was indeed stronger, faster and overall more powerful than the team sent to kill her.

And let's not forget the 10% yoki release before Priscilla awakened. I'm not sure, but I have the feeling that when Irene said that one yoki is a lot stronger than another, she was talking about Teresa's yoki, and not Priscilla's.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Super Ska Master

You guys know you're talking about monsters, right? o_o

who wants to talk about humans i see them everyday. Now a good monster thats something you dont see