2011-09-02, 06:59 | Link #1021 |
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Shoma taking the hit for her was pretty much an obvious plot device for Ringo's sake, because now I'm guessing she'll start seeing things differently thanks to it. Can't say I like too much since it seems kinda contrived. It's all too easy to just randomly throw in a car accident to develop a character. Otherwise I have to agree with everything Kanon's said.
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2011-09-02, 08:29 | Link #1024 |
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Tabuki moving out, Ringo in a mess. Those 2 penguins sure are funny ^^
The wild west side story was pretty good, she sure has an active imagination. Tabuki's new place sure is awesome, but Ringo totally snapped. She took the stalker thing into psycho zone! Really interesting episode this time, especially the ending.
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We are certain to see that in the next couple of episodes - there's at least one character who hasn't even shown up yet. And the timing is certain to not be a coincidence.
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2011-09-02, 12:15 | Link #1027 |
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So I see that either Kanba or Masako has hired a certain Dullahan to steal the penguindrum, that was unexpected. And I'm really convinced now that after episode nine Ringo is either going to leave the story for good or take a break and come back close to the finale, she's just so far gone now that I'm expecting her to have a complete mental breakdown and get locked up in a mental ward. I'm also kinda hoping that, as much as I like him, Shouma isn't the focus of the next few episodes so we can see what Kanba has been doing behind the scenes and see how things are going with Himari. As some other people pointed out earlier, we don't really know that much about Himari so I'm really expecting her to have a big dark secret as well, although I could just be speculating too much right now.
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2011-09-02, 12:47 | Link #1028 |
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Man, very shocking cliffhanger there. Shipper side of me wants Ringo to get better because of the accident, but the side of me that craves for a more interesting storyline is wanting Ringo to go EVEN MORE INSANE because of it.
Psycho-moe ftw. XD
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2011-09-02, 13:12 | Link #1030 | |
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I mean I've kind of been joking before, but this is getting more than a little ridiculous. Some people need to stop being so damn overbearing about Ikuhara and whatever legacy he might have left with Utena and just allow the flow and generation of ideas to flourish here or this thread is more done than it already is. I think they know who they are by the way. |
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2011-09-02, 13:17 | Link #1031 | |
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It's certainly valid to love Ringo as a character - different viewers are going to react differently to a character as a matter of course. I'd certainly take issue with the statement that we've never seen anything like her - we've seen lots of characters like her. In fact, she's practically a trope. It's just that - in my view - many of those characters were executed much more effectively. I'll certainly agree she's much different from Utena as a character - they fill a different role and represent a different perspective. In terms of whether the show is fresh and whether it would benefit from brevity, again, it's a matter of opinion. There's plenty here that was fresh - the first time we saw it, seven eps ago. Now that we're seeing it for the nth time without anything beyond cosmetic change, it isn't quite so fresh. That was an issue I had with Utena and why I worry about MPD - it felt like a lot of the freshness was packed into the early parts of the series and a lot of the creative spark was stale by the end. RGU was 39 eps, I believe, so that was always going to be a challenge. That''s why the "no wasted frames" argument doesn't fly with me, because I see Ikuhara using not just recycled imagery, but recycled imagery to accomplish the same result. And we're only 8 episodes in. Is this interesting? Absolutely - it's the most visually striking series of the season. Ikuhara is undeniably a man with a genius for surrealism and his skill at composing a shot is stunning - he has a great imagination and a great eye. I just see worrying signs that his discipline isn't at that same level and I think the balance of the show has gone out of whack with the last few episodes and their obsessive focus on Ringo. It might be a different view than yours, but I don't buy the premise that not accepting what a director is doing at face value makes your opinion invalid.
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2011-09-02, 13:31 | Link #1032 |
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The problem I see in this argument is that we don't' really know yet why the series has been so focused on Ringo till this point. You may or may not like it, that I can understand, but saying it screwed the balance of the show even though we still don't know what the show is really about and how Ringo's story fits in it seems... well, let's just say it doesn't make much sense.
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2011-09-02, 13:32 | Link #1033 | |
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I'll share a little something with the thread. While I really enjoyed most of episode 7 on account of the Ringo scenes, I also made the comment to someone that the stock footage use has gotten extremely bad to the point of looking out of place and actively working against one of the shows characters. When the Survival Strategy scenes first started it was about introducing the Penguin Himari in a flourish (all those exploding clothes and poses and what not), now when they are using the same footage for scenes like Himari talking to the brothers about getting Ringo together with Yabuki it just plain does not fit anymore. Like I know at this point I'm watching footage that was meant for a completely different set of circumstances, so why are we still using the exact same scenes. To me stock footage should be barely noticeable or at the very least flow with what needs to be done for the purpose of a scene (one of the reason most Magical Girl/Super Robot transformations are still okay in my estimation). This to me is a pretty glaring flaw in how Himari's character has been handled. As I mentioned earlier, it is indeed a little hard to identify with and see a character as present when she basically only exists in stock footage. Shame since she started off extremely sympathetic. |
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2011-09-02, 13:47 | Link #1034 | |
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I really think this boils down to the idea that any criticism of Ikuhara is inherently invalid. Accept what He's doing, for His purpose will eventually be revealed.
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2011-09-02, 14:23 | Link #1037 | |
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BTW, note that I haven't watched Utena (tv, I did watch the movie) so all this is just what I heard about the guy.
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2011-09-02, 14:41 | Link #1038 |
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That's a very forgiving approach - is there a cutoff? Do we say it's OK if 23 episodes "lack dramatic punch" if the payoff is in the 24th?
Of course every director is different, as you say, and that's why I said that an episode exists both as an entity and as part of the whole. It depends on the nature of criticism you believe in, I suppose - I don't think a director should be allowed to exempt himself from ongoing analysis because it's only relevant when viewed as a whole. That being said, I'd certainly say that if it were a matter of one episode, it wouldn't be of great concern for me. The issue I have is that the last three episodes have had major problems for me, and that's almost 40% of the total run-time to date. That's a lot of ask in the "just have faith" department. I think a good example here would be the Lord of the Rings films. Jackson filmed them simultaneously - in fact, so out of sequence that many scenes in "Return of the King" were shot before scenes in "Fellowship". So of course, it makes sense to view the trilogy as a whole and judge it's worth in that context. But it's also valid - and I would say necessary - to analyze each film individually (as every critic, review board and awards committee did) at the time of it's release. They're films - they exist as independent entities, not just as a trilogy. If Jackson wanted those films to be judged as a single unit, he would have released them as one (admittedly very long) film. If Ikuhara wants MPD judged as a movie, he should have made a movie or OVA. Since he made a series, the series needs to be judged on an ongoing basis. When it's over, that's when you look at the whole package and decide where it succeeded and where it failed.
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2011-09-02, 14:50 | Link #1039 |
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I find it strange that people ridicule the repeating footage of Ikuhara's series as that is one of his signature's style. It is like ridiculing pigeons/ mexican standoff/double gun in John Woo's movie/ keying in songs at the end of an episode in a Fukuda directed series/ too much text in a Hideki Anno's series...etc. That is what they do.
Frankly if you dislike Utena you won't like Penguin Drum at all. As someone said before the plot has nothing in similar but the direction style is practically the same, and Ikuhara has a very strong direction style that might overwhelm some people, and there is nothing wrong with it.
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2011-09-02, 14:57 | Link #1040 | |
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Anyone who ridicule the repeating style do not know squat about anime. I would love to see the Seizon Senryakuu each and every episode. Probably my limit would be up to 30+ episodes. Then I'll get sick of it... maybe. Well. I couldn't really watch Utena back in the day because I found it to be... "weird". Granted, all I've seen was the movie. Hence, I had absolutely no clue what I was watching. And this was... a good... 10-12 years ago. Yet, this style used in Penguindrum. Much more colorful. Much more vibrant. Audio-wise, I can't compare here. I don't recall enough for that.
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