2008-08-31, 23:45 | Link #6521 |
Wiggle Your Big Toe
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I love how all the people who used to hate Suzaku are all jumping on the bandwagon now that he is working with Lelouch. Honestly was there any good reason to hate Suzaku in the first place(I'm sure I'll get some stupid reasons)?
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2008-08-31, 23:54 | Link #6523 | |
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Personally, I think he's a great character, but his hypocrisy sort of made him a bit of a tool - he kept saying he wanted to change the system from within, yet what he really wanted to do was to go out in a blaze of glory to atone for messing things up by killing his father. That and the whole "work the system from within" meant being a collaborator with an occupying regime that treated his people like crap made him seem a bit too naive. Although he seems to have come to the realization that while the means by which you achieve your goals matters, it's all academic if you can't actually get anything done. Lelouch had the opposite problem - he was willing to do almost anything to get what he wanted, although doing so had cost him almost everything. It seems like they've both realized what they've being doing so far hasn't been working. My guess would be that they've settled on something in the middle - the best way to change Britannia (and the world) would be from the top. But they accept that they'll have to play hardball to get there - and stay there. |
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2008-08-31, 23:56 | Link #6524 |
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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People disliked Suzaku because he was always at odds with Lelouch, who was his best friend. It's was as if they were on different pages of the same book, which ended up fucking them over several times. Both characters have now come full circle. Lelouch is no longer persuing his own selfish interests and hiding behind a mask, and Suzaku is finally able to understand his friend and his motives.
Suzaku's choice makes sense, Lelouch no longer has a mask, Schneizel in the other hand probably has 10 masks on and a lot of shady objectives and stuff that Suzaku doesn't like. |
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2008-08-31, 23:57 | Link #6526 |
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-I have honestly no idea how to react to Suzaku anymore. On the one hand its nice that he moved on and forgave Lelouch but on the other I still cannot fully bring myself to like what he's done. This could have all been avoided way back in episode 5 of the 1st season if he had trusted Lelouch enough, but oh well, we live and burn...
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2008-09-01, 00:00 | Link #6527 | |
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They've now agreed to a method somewhere in the middle, which is how it should've been done in the first place. |
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2008-09-01, 00:11 | Link #6529 |
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-Oh I don't know. Maybe because Lelouch saved his life openly and without hesitation, because he took as many opportunities as possible to avoid bringing him into the fray or to get him out of it, because unlike Suzaku himself (and many of his superiors) he cared about wheter he lived or died? But yeah, Lelouch's way isn't an absolute right one but hey its what he had to work with. BTW, I am not trying to instigate an argument here of who's right or wrong since those are ambiguous terms in this series...
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2008-09-01, 00:12 | Link #6530 |
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I now understand the real issue with suzaku. He suffers from Chronic Backstabbing Disorder.
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2008-09-01, 00:16 | Link #6532 |
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The reason people dislike Suzaku because he was always self-conflicting himself. He struggles to understand where his resolve really lies. He's always misled himself to the wrong path by choosing to side with those with direct influence rather then make his own path.
He accepted Japan being Area 11. He accepted to "go along" with the new rulers. This is opposite of Lelouch's beliefs where Lelu believes that he "can" make miracles if he doesn't give into the realities forced upon by others, noted in episode 21. Suzaku and Lelouch probably made up with each other since he did kill Nunnally although Lelouch may have contributed to this but the only way to settle all the contriving issues is to work together and fix this world. |
2008-09-01, 00:19 | Link #6534 |
'Sup Ballers
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The JLF wasn't his soldiers, they were an independent rebel group(This is back in season 1). He himself said that freeing the Japanese was simply a side effect of having a peaceful world for Nunnally, hence, using the Japanese as pawns.
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2008-09-01, 00:21 | Link #6535 | |
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2008-09-01, 00:26 | Link #6536 | |
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Amd lelouch wasn't a military leader at that point, he was a rebel leader, rebel leaders should keep the people that believe in him close. Leaders with the intent to free a land don't bail on their comrades during wartime. Granted, we know why he did it, the reason why he was doing this in the first place, but the Japanese don't know. |
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2008-09-01, 00:41 | Link #6539 | |
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2008-09-01, 01:09 | Link #6540 |
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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when suzaku met with charles and marianne, could he have just accepted their proposal for a better world ... or just go for quits and leave... things like this are so complicated the it really takes alot to make the right decission... why did he have to side with lelouch... suzaku doesnt know shit about whats going on...
All of this could have ended their and then... suzaku should have just stab lelouch to end it all... no more geass... |
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