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bhl88 · 2013-03-27, 21:03

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

So until western animation (or any other cartoon for that matter) approach that level of consistency, no one is gonna stop me from making a distinction between anime and other cartoons.

I still make that distinction.

ChainLegacy · 2013-03-27, 21:11

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Originally Posted by bhl88

lol your taste would be different from mine then

Though in a bad economic situation with tons of moe, I'd say: Japan makes 4 Avatars a year.

No doubt we probably have different tastes, but where are these 4 Avatars of which you speak? Cuz I'm not seeing them, even though I'd be happy were they to exist.

What are some anime you'd consider on par with Avatar from this past year (in terms of a combination of enjoyment level, production quality, and vaguely similar plot)? I can't think of any that fall within the realm of similarity, though of course maybe I missed something.

bhl88 · 2013-03-27, 21:35

If I put shounen, I'd easily name four.

If I put (must be similar and have elements), I wouldn't be able to easily name one

Four avatars to mean great shows.

deadlights911 · 2013-03-31, 22:30

Interesting reasons...

bhl88 · 2013-04-01, 11:20

To anyone who hasn't seen much (1 or 2)... The reasons would be bad (maybe)

Kyuu · 2013-04-15, 13:47

Hmm. Thanks to the Middle East anime notice... I was informed about this:

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?p=358

These three are listed as anime here -- where they're actually adamantly strict about listing what is anime vs not. These three have one thing in common:

Spoiler:

bhl88 · 2013-04-15, 14:11

With a Japanese director...

hyl · 2013-04-15, 14:32

And sadly enough i have seen the 3 animes that you listed, because it was airing on tv in the early 90's

Dhomochevsky · 2013-04-16, 13:27

I knew they were dutch because all the MCs were given a dutch accent in german TV lol.

bhl88 · 2013-04-16, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

Hmm. Thanks to the Middle East anime notice... I was informed about this:

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?p=358

These three are listed as anime here -- where they're actually adamantly strict about listing what is anime vs not. These three have one thing in common:

Spoiler:

Sadly Avatar is not listed as an anime...

Xion Valkyrie · 2013-04-16, 16:47

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Originally Posted by ChainLegacy

No doubt we probably have different tastes, but where are these 4 Avatars of which you speak? Cuz I'm not seeing them, even though I'd be happy were they to exist.

What are some anime you'd consider on par with Avatar from this past year (in terms of a combination of enjoyment level, production quality, and vaguely similar plot)? I can't think of any that fall within the realm of similarity, though of course maybe I missed something.

Fantasy/Adventure hasn't been a popular genre in the last couple of years. The only one I can recall from the last couple of years that wasn't some harem rom-com was Legend of the Legendary Heroes, but I didn't watch that so I can't really comment whether or not it is 'Avatar' level.

However, this season we have Shingeki no Kyojin and Suisei no Gargantia, both which look to be at least 'Avatar' level just from the first 2 episodes.

risingstar3110 · 2013-04-17, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

In a store you would find anime in one location, foreign films in another. Cartoons sometimes in another, but usually most are under Kids things. The rest are simply in with the regular films are in genre sections.

In a Japanese video store in San Francisco, the anime is seperated from the rest of the films as well. Anime is in aphabetical order only by title.

I misread this quote... And thought you said "alphabetical order by TITS... Was an awkward moment thinking about how those store dealer have to watch the series and estimate the heroine breast size.... Trying to range them from A toD....

Anyway... Agree with your point here. We simply can distinguish between anime and Western cartoon. There are lots of grey in between. But most would be able to recognise if it only a bit greyish.... Or coke black in colour. Animation style, story theme, underplaying culture, target audience groups..... All contributes

bhl88 · 2013-04-17, 22:48

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I misread this quote... And thought you said "alphabetical order by TITS... Was an awkward moment thinking about how those store dealer have to watch the series and estimate the heroine breast size.... Trying to range them from A toD....

Anyway... Agree with your point here. We simply can distinguish between anime and Western cartoon. There are lots of grey in between. But most would be able to recognise if it only a bit greyish.... Or coke black in colour. Animation style, story theme, underplaying culture, target audience groups..... All contributes

It's easy to recognize between both... Just that it's harder if the anime copies a cartoon style (P&S)

ChainLegacy · 2013-04-18, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Fantasy/Adventure hasn't been a popular genre in the last couple of years. The only one I can recall from the last couple of years that wasn't some harem rom-com was Legend of the Legendary Heroes, but I didn't watch that so I can't really comment whether or not it is 'Avatar' level.

However, this season we have Shingeki no Kyojin and Suisei no Gargantia, both which look to be at least 'Avatar' level just from the first 2 episodes.

Based on the plot description they both sound promising, I'll check them out. I thought Avatar was an amazing show, so it's probably going to be hard to live up to that, but somewhere in the ballpark of quality would be enjoyable indeed.

theflyingturkey · 2013-04-20, 05:45

Thread hopping.

Whilst anime does indeed simply mean animation, I certainly do feel like a distinction needs to be made, as it has evolved into quite different from American cartoons (Just using America as a reference point.)

Why?

It's simple. Simply, the methodological approach to telling a story is much different than American cartoons. Anime has its own unique tropes and makes use of storytelling conventions far differently than American cartoons. Arts style aside, the presentation, direction, general tropes and event animation techniques used are far more different than general Western animation.

With so much differences it's definitely not wrong to make a distinction between the two as different medium. Related mediums no less, but I'd say they're more like cousins to each other than a single entity.

Kyuu · 2013-04-20, 21:26

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Sadly Avatar is not listed as an anime...

I've said this before. And I'll say it again:

Even I don't view Avatar as an anime.

But it's a step in the right direction. I had long argued it as an anime; but when I watched it, it fell short of my expectation. The most striking distinction were the way the characters talked and moved during times of dialogue.

bhl88 · 2013-04-20, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

I've said this before. And I'll say it again:

Even I don't view Avatar as an anime.

But it's a step in the right direction. I had long argued it as an anime; but when I watched it, it fell short of my expectation. The most striking distinction were the way the characters talked and moved during times of dialogue.

Is it because the dialogue is childish and not taken seriously, etc?

Kyuu · 2013-04-21, 02:03

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Is it because the dialogue is childish and not taken seriously, etc?

Childish dialogue has nothing to do with it, because there exist childish anime series. So, it's not the words that come out. It's how their mouths were moving and the postures they make. It tried to emulate similar movements to Japanese animation, but it simply falls short.

In terms of scenery? Acceptable.
Coloring? Also acceptable.

Now, if I were to more fairly compare Avatar, the comparison would have to come from somewhat earlier series. For you see, I just watched a YouTube compilation on Avatar's "funny moments" vs just 5-10 seconds on Saki: Achiga. In terms of animation overall, Achiga has much smoother transition effects. All I know is: something was throwing me off with Avatar.

Putting that aside, I'd like to see how American animators would deal with a drama series -- of similar length that we're accustomed to seeing (12-13 episodes, perhaps). We already know that American writers are more than capable of writing a stretched out drama. Can the animators (incl whole production team) do the same thing?

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theflyingturkey Swordy Turkey Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Where turkeys can actually fly Age: 19	Thread hopping. Whilst anime does indeed simply mean animation, I certainly do feel like a distinction needs to be made, as it has evolved into quite different from American cartoons (Just using America as a reference point.) Why? It's simple. Simply, the methodological approach to telling a story is much different than American cartoons. Anime has its own unique tropes and makes use of storytelling conventions far differently than American cartoons. Arts style aside, the presentation, direction, general tropes and event animation techniques used are far more different than general Western animation. With so much differences it's definitely not wrong to make a distinction between the two as different medium. Related mediums no less, but I'd say they're more like cousins to each other than a single entity.