2012-03-29, 21:37 | Link #501 |
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No, Okada made no attempt to translate what was in the book to the movie - she basically took none of the source material except the character names and the dates. When you're starting over from scratch, time isn't really the issue.
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2012-03-29, 22:15 | Link #502 | |||
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Ex. Slayers (Takashi Watanabe), Excel Saga (Nabeshin), Love Hina (Yoshiaki Iwasaki), Kodocha (Akitaro Daichi, Hiroaki Sakurai).....All of these were big titles that made their directors successful, yet the stories were drastically altered from the original sources. In some way, I think they subsequently influenced how those directors would approach future shows they became involved with. Quote:
You can guess where Mari Okada sits. Recently, she has worked with directors who are/aspire to be creators themselves (Shoji Kawamori, Tatsuyuki Nagai, Yutaka Yamamoto), so it's probably safe to say that they hire her for a reason. It helps when both director and screenwriter are on the same wavelength. Quote:
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2012-03-30, 03:51 | Link #503 | |
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Anyways, I do wish that they would have decided to treat this as a TV series adaptation starting from the beginning and follow the manga... like pretend that the previous series didn't exist and just start fresh. However, I totally disagree with your "When you're starting over from scratch, time isn't really the issue". Time is always an issue regardless of what you are doing. Someone decided that there will only be 2 movies that will tell a whole story arch (Ch. 48- 151, that's 103 chapters), and thus, people have to figure out how to tell that story within the allocated time. As much as I'd hate to say this, I think that some of the small changes will actually benefit these OVAs. Things like: Spoiler for fight scenes:
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2012-03-30, 07:16 | Link #504 | |||
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But as I explained above to kuromitsu, Kenshin didn't "fall in love" with Tomoe but felt "love" for her. There's a significant difference. He knew nothing about Tomoe even in the manga. His love was based on the lies she'd built up to keep him at bay and her looks and scent. That was it. And so, the OVA take isn't that farfetched from the original. My words to kuromitsu were as such: Quote:
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There is only one hint towards Kenshin and Kaoru in this adaption, and it's the scene when they meet up again. They have a moment of closeness (that wasn't in the manga!) and nearly kiss before Yahiko appears. Then it's gone. That's it, it's over, cut to credits, done. At least they brought back Kaoru's personality for a bit. But the entire time, to my recollection, Kenshin never says "oro," a trademark of his. Ridiculous. It was shitty. Oh, and forget poor, poor Sanosuke. His role is downplayed entirely. I barely saw that he was in the production. And Saito had more lines than Kenshin in the whole production. Then you had Shishio, whom talked more than Kenshin and Saito combined. At least Chou was the only Juppongatana to shine. He was my favorite one out of them too, had the most personality of them all, and became one of the better good guys in the end. Sadly, none of that personality shined out in this adaption, except his fighting skills which were still cut down. All in all, let me say that you don't want to get the sub of it. Watching it raw is enough to make you feel sick to your stomach realizing your favorite childhood manga is once again being butchered. Can't we get the original script writer back? I want us to go back to the days Gallop did it. Their first two seasons were absolutely gorgeous. Too bad they left it to Deen that only did the filler episodes and knew nothing about the background story. I don't even think it's the same artists anymore.
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2012-03-31, 03:20 | Link #508 |
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She did. 90% of this is nothing like the manga at all. The speech is completely altered and unless you read the manga, you'd be freaking lost by the halfway point of figuring out what is actually going on in the arc. A horrible piece. Only good scene is the Kenshin and Kaoru scene at the end and talks between Misao and Kenshin (which I found myself fond of, considering there wasn't much one-on-one talk between them about his personal life in the manga or anime).
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2012-03-31, 03:26 | Link #510 |
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Notes Wiki about original Kenshin anime:
Studio Studio Gallop (episodes 1-66) Studio Deen (episodes 66 onwards)-- remember all those shitty episodes at the end? Man they sure have been doing this for the longest time. Maybe it's just luck that they get hard projects, but it's kinda funny how they're effectively the death sentence for so many franchises they come across. Umineko VN readers sup? F/SN readers sup?
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2012-03-31, 03:38 | Link #511 | |
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So does working for DEEN magically bring out the worst in people? There's plenty of cases of people failing at DEEN having success at other studios,for example the same guy who was the head writer in charge of Fate/Stay Night for DEEN ended up directing Steins;Gate for White Fox.
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2012-03-31, 03:46 | Link #512 | |
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Note that steins;gate had more than one director though :S. I think I know which one made it more special too (hint: directed Texhnolyze). One thing's for sure though. A bad budget studio is a bad budget studio no matter how you put it.
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2012-03-31, 03:49 | Link #513 |
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Hell, just look at Mari Okada herself and her workings with DEEN. But that might just be herself. I guess she has to take on these jobs as a writer, but still my thoughts on her work are getting pretty eh.
I once made a quip that the characters so retarded outside of the lead and 2-3 others in Hana Saku Iroha because it was an allegory for her working with members of a less than competent staff. And then we just might have an example here! I mean yes, I understand that the studios don't get to pick and choose what they have to do. But more than a decade of fail can't be coincidence can it?
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2012-03-31, 03:58 | Link #514 |
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That's because you only remember their failures, not their successes
Actually FSN is a success, despite whatever complains are thrown in the Internet. If FSN was given a death sentence like you said, then the franchise would have never been animated again, which means Kara no Kyoukai or FZ would have never existed.
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2012-03-31, 04:47 | Link #515 | |
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Yes, Deen did all the filler episodes. For the first batch of filler episodes in season one (or arc one), Gallop did pretty good. Although Kenshin becoming Battousai for one scene urked me a little, it was otherwise faithful to his personality. They knew how to work with Kenshin. However, once it transferred to Deen, it was like "we'll do what the fuck we want now." There is no excuse for their butcher to the anime.
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2012-03-31, 04:50 | Link #516 | |||
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Maybe we should just head on to the DEEN thread
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2012-03-31, 05:18 | Link #517 | |
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Whatever changes were made to the staff, or if they simply just decided to do "whatever the fuck they wanted to," they butchered the filler arc and left out the entire final arc of Kenshin's life. It was about as bad as Bleach filler arcs, and that goes far down in the ocean.
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2012-03-31, 11:30 | Link #518 | |
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*watches Ano Hana* "Hey this Ano Hana show is actually pretty good and solidly written....wait what's that? She wanted to do WHAT with the script originally?" *watches anything she's written for since* "Oh my good lord!" I don't know if that projects she's been getting give her no room to work with (honestly I don't know how anybody writes a great script for a Black Rock Shooter anime to be fit into 8 episodes) or she's just not that imaginative or creative but man for somebody that's as prolific as she is becoming her scripts don't really do that much to impress and are about as safe as your average anime scriptwriters work these days. No idea why she has become so singled out to write for so many heavily hyped projects of late over her peers. |
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