Danganronpa - Episode 2 Discussion / Poll

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Sphire

Started watching this because there was some hype around it. Can't say I've been impressed so far. Admittedly, I hate the concept to begin with, so that doesn't help. The constant need to remind us that it is adapted from a game is annoying too.

The whole trial thing sounds stupid to me. Monokuma didn't mention it before, so if someone had killed in front of everyone else, they are automatically screwed? A stupid reliance on luck that someone would kill silently.

The trial is also stupid in that, if the group gets it wrong, everyone dies bar the murderer. Meaning no more story. So now we already know that every murderer will be found (if it was a murder to begin with).

Junko's death was stupid.

I hate murder mysteries, they usually come up with conclusions I will have issues with. But that's just me assuming a future annoyance.

Wow, man, talk about heavy negativity!

No offense, but I don't think you're really giving this show a chance at all.


A few counterpoints:

1. How is a "reliance on luck" stupid? All sorts of games and contests have an element of luck to them. Even high-level athletic competitions have some element of luck to them. There's nothing stupid about a game or contest that has an element to luck to it. I mean, is Poker stupid in your view? Is BlackJack?

2. Yes, it's a pretty safe assumption that every murderer will be found out. So what? Is the Phoenix Wright game stupid because it consistently reveals the real criminal? Is Murder She Wrote stupid for the same reason? Keep in mind that even with us knowing this, there's plenty of room for unpredictability. For example, who though that Maizono would be the first one to die?

3. Why was Junko's death stupid? It proves that Monobear isn't bluffing.

4. Yeah, maybe you should stop assuming future annoyances, and taking an extremely negative view towards everything in it in general.

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Sphire

Started watching this because there was some hype around it. Can't say I've been impressed so far. Admittedly, I hate the concept to begin with, so that doesn't help. The constant need to remind us that it is adapted from a game is annoying too.

The whole trial thing sounds stupid to me. Monokuma didn't mention it before, so if someone had killed in front of everyone else, they are automatically screwed? A stupid reliance on luck that someone would kill silently.

The trial is also stupid in that, if the group gets it wrong, everyone dies bar the murderer. Meaning no more story. So now we already know that every murderer will be found (if it was a murder to begin with).

Junko's death was stupid.

I hate murder mysteries, they usually come up with conclusions I will have issues with. But that's just me assuming a future annoyance.

I'll probably drop this, but another episode is coming out today, yea? So I might give that a watch. As for Maizono's death:

Spoiler for Maizono's death assumption:

Suicide screams out to me first and foremost. We don't have any real evidence against anyone else at this moment, so suicide stands out the most. Her mindset was probably made up when she saw her DVD, whatever that meant to her. She wanted to make it look like Naegi did it so that he could 'graduate'. Of course, there are cameras everywhere, so it sounds stupid, but that's how things go in mystery shows.

If not, then there just isn't enough info yet anyway. I guess it could've been Junko. She's a fellow competing idol too. She acted out once the trials were made known, which she didn't expect. And with her death, Monokuma wants the trials over and done with.

I don't really care though. I'll probably watch ep 3 and then be done with this series.

the rule was in their iphon/android system
that you must commit murder without anyone know about it
+
it's game anime = if you fail to find him = game over // or bad ending

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Sphire

Spoiler for Maizono's death assumption:

If not, then there just isn't enough info yet anyway. I guess it could've been Junko. She's a fellow competing idol too. She acted out once the trials were made known, which she didn't expect. And with her death, Monokuma wants the trials over and done with.

Spoiler for answer to theory:

It could be a red herring, but the clues actually point at Leon (the red head).

Spoiler for Klashikari's unshown clue:

Tools were used to dismantle the lock, and only boys had them. And Makoto's weren't used. A girl, including Sayaka, would have to steal them.

The dying message. It's not numbers, it's "LEON" upside down, with the N only partially written.
The broken crystal ball was probably used as a projectile weapon to disarm the victim, breaking her right wrist. (Leon's a baseball player.)
Part of a shirt was found.

Spoiler for Klashikari's unshown clue:

His hair's pretty distinctive, thus the need not to leave any on the crime scene.

I don't know what the nameplate switch's about. Did Sayaka do that?

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Spoiler for answer to theory:

It could be a red herring, but the clues actually point at Leon (the red head).

Spoiler for Klashikari's unshown clue:

Tools were used to dismantle the lock, and only boys had them. And Makoto's weren't used. A girl, including Sayaka, would have to steal them.

The dying message. It's not numbers, it's "LEON" upside down, with the N only partially written.
The broken crystal ball was probably used as a projectile weapon to disarm the victim, breaking her right wrist. (Leon's a baseball player.)
Part of a shirt was found.

Spoiler for Klashikari's unshown clue:

His hair's pretty distinctive, thus the need not to leave any on the crime scene.

I don't know what the nameplate switch's about. Did Sayaka do that?

Spoiler for Theory:

It's very likely that she did because it'd be really unlikely for the killer to know that the nameplates were switched. Only she knew that she was in Makoto's room, but the killer didn't. So it's a good chance that she was the one who did it, and as to why... I do know, but won't say anything.

[Guido]

The first episode is the prologue, and starting from the second episode onwards the mystery game of "And Then There Were None" begins.


Honestly, Danganroppa mysteries, pacing, executions, and suspect conspiracy theories are far much better than Umineko's execution.


This is perfectly neat and joined mesh of SAW, Umineko, mystery novels, and survival horror games.


We can relax for the time being that MonoBear is not the actual, physical perpetrator of the murders. Simply, if they start to suspect it, then all the eyes would be fixed upon MonoBear. MonoBear meant with despair to the fact that the murderer is amongst the teens and within them.

He or she will be dealing with them one by one all alone and by themselves. Imagine, that sort of scenario left all alone with a potential murderer amongst your group whom happens to be just an everday and normal guy or gal; how's scary.
This franchise plays exactly with some phobias of our Japanese otaku friends. What if the guy or gal whom you happen to know either next door, in your neighborhood, or at school turns out to be a different person in secret? Quite scary thought.

However, just because MonoBear isn't committing the murders itself that does tells us rat ass about what's it's going to do next.
I mean MonoBear can still encourage or influence the teens whether be directly or indirectly to kill each other through offering choices, hints, or suggestions but without putting itself publicly on everyone's radar, of course.


Now, let's cut to the crime scene.

Sayaka's behavior was suspicious. Whose to tell Naegi that the clatter she heard on the door inside her room was either real or a figment of her imagination?

- Whose to tell that maybe she just feigned the whole thing to swap rooms with Naegi?

- Naegi left himself opened and exposed to Sayaka simply because he knew her in middle school and was a little bit enamored with her.


- The last episode she freaked out to the point of even lashing to Naegi but that's only a natural reaction and tells nothing.

- The more logical and natural course of events would have been for Naegi to go with Sayaka into her rooms and made a thorough check-up than just swapping rooms.

Speculation: I'm honest to state that Sayaka Maizono attempted to commit a murder after caving in too much, but we know from next morning that Naegi woke up fine and safe. Hence, Naegi wasn't her objective.

However, she was found dead in Naegi's room's bathroom, stabbed through her abdomen. The fact that she was dead in his room and the plates were changed when Naegi came to double checked the rooms.

Spoiler:

Speculation: Sayaka Maizono attempted to use Naegi as her scape goat for her attempted murder. We know later that she got murdered herself.

Or Sayaka Maizono hoped that luring her unseen assailant into her room using Naegi as bait would end up him getting killed, and she exposing her assailant or killing the culprit.

The key clue is the message she scrabbled on the wall with her blood which reads the number "11037". However, what I found suspicious is that the '3' digit in the number written looked more like an inverted capital 'E' letter to me.

Spoiler:

I believe the message is coded in leet, and Sayaka let on a clue as to her real murderer. The murderer whose name has an "E" letter.