2012-06-18, 04:51 | Link #3261 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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There was actually one thing in all the theology classes I had in college had in common, the one's taught by Jesuit priests: It's better for you to have an understanding of your faith with shreds of doubt than to adhere strongly to faith without understanding why.
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2012-06-18, 09:15 | Link #3262 |
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I was baptized as Mormon, switched to Protestant and now I'm just somewhere in a pool of mixed religions. My ex was Catholic and I used to go to her Sunday masses as well. Rather than gluing myself to a certain branch of Christianity, I took it more of a learning process. I'm deeply bothered by fellow believers who can't comprehend the bible in their most fluent language. I also feel that some 'devout Christians' have never read the bible.
"Really? Give me a ref # to where it says that. I have it right here, tell me where you got that idea from? Your parents told you? Really?" I'm not too concerned with details such as what God or the Savior did in the past or looks like. I'm more concerned about why the world is the way it is and what I am supposed to do as a human being in the general picture. I never make prayers to demand for anything. I don't seek a physical Savior in the living world. There's no need to. If there was really a need, they'd be here. My impression of God is like a parent with overwhelmingly superior insight and foresight. Just like how you feel badly treated by your parents when they actually love you and try to show you small amounts of pain so that you can become stronger. I feel God is the same but on a much higher level. So I don't expect any eternal peace in the living world. Then we'd be just spoiled protected brats that never gained anything while we were alive. I am certainly not those "liberal christians' that just follow whatever is convenient to their existing lifestyle. |
2012-06-18, 10:02 | Link #3263 | |
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Hence, faith: The hope that you'd get there someday, even though there's more than a big chance you never will. Atheists who sniff at the quest for "certainty" haven't really lived enough to know why it matters so much to all of us, regardless of creed, faith or religion. |
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2012-06-18, 14:47 | Link #3265 | |
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2012-06-18, 19:29 | Link #3266 |
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I consider myself a Christian today, and I'm not a perfect Christian, but I get so angry about some Christians, especially some I see in America. I know there is a lot of good Christians all throughout America, some with views that I think they are definitely wrong on but they are still, overall, good Christians (that previous post doesn't suggest that, but I acknowledge that often), but yes, I'm very frustrated with some Christians. I mean, what kind of Christians was my ugly, extreme post directed towards? Christians who believe every gay person is vile and no good; that not one of them is a good person. That they are "abominations" and it is right to hate them. There are many Christians like that. I have gay relatives and each one of them and their spouses are good people. It is hurtful that millions of Christians would hate them, treat them like dirt, and wish death upon them just because of their sexual orientation. This is a big thing with my frustration for people I think are bad Christians. I understand that with your religion you oppose homosexuality. That is understandable. However, you aren't supposed to hate those people. An important thing for Christians is to "hate the sin but love the sinner".
Then there are also plenty of Christians in America that think all liberals are Godless heathens. That's a bother. Beyond this, there are plenty of Christians who are very unkind and intolerant to people like Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, among others (some of them hate all Muslims, even). Again, many of these Christians take an extreme view, thinking that their religions offer nothing good when in fact they share some of the greatest elements found in Christianity. So yeah, my post was extreme. Sorry if it got on someone's nerves, but I'm angry. I'm sick of some Christians pointing the finger every which way, judging so many others, condemning so many others (things Christians aren't supposed to do), when they themselves are bad people. The Christians that I think are bad Christians ignore or oppose some of the most important teachings from Jesus himself. It is frustrating. Also, these people I deem as bad Christians are incredibly harmful to Christianity itself. Just think how the bad apples in Christianity, since just in the last decade alone, have driven away millions of people that could have become Christians or remained Christians. This is yet another thing that I'm frustrated with with certain Christians.
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2012-06-18, 20:20 | Link #3267 | ||
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To an extent some people find consolation and comfort in the fact that they have a set path, or at least a potential one to take. Even if say the end result is itself unknown with no guarantees, getting there is enough to keep him occupied and satisfied until the end of one's life. Quote:
So now we feel how it's like for peace loving Muslim to see their religious brethren blow op Churches and Mosques.
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2012-06-18, 20:25 | Link #3268 | |
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You're totally right about peace loving Muslims a lot of them are ashamed of the extremists and see them as defiling the message of Mohammad. There was a good movie "The Message" that was done in 1977 that really paints the picture of Muslim beliefs. It's much different then what the extremists spout off for sure~ |
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2012-06-18, 20:37 | Link #3269 | |
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I'm a Muslim and I personally hate them for defiling the Words of Allah. The shouting of " Allah is Great" after beheading a captive is blasphemous and boils me to the bone... I want them dead!!! I once planned to become a soldier to "cleanse" my mother's birth place (Jolo) of such demons!!! I think its reasonable. |
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2012-06-18, 20:39 | Link #3270 | |
Juanita/Kiteless
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And there are Christian extremists today killing in the name of God. It is just more discrete. It comes from politicians who orchestra war and it also manifests in some (but I'm not saying all) of those that support the wars. There are the rarer cases of some Christians who are nut jobs that kill abortion clinic workers, but then you have this whole war on terror thing. Not that I don't think we shouldn't work to fight against terrorist organizations, but look at the hornet hive the Bush administration shook up. Bush played off of many Christians in America, making them think the war on terror is a war willed by God. They are the non-Christian heathens and we have to annihilate the enemy. Sounds like another version of the terrorists goals, no? Just swap out non-Christian heathens with non-Muslim infidels, and you get the same thing. And a lot of Christians in America don't care about the Afghan and Iraqi civilians who die because they are just "Muslim heathens". For instance, when a marine went ballistic and killed Afghan civilians earlier this year, there was a number of online comments by some ignorant Americans that played off the massacre as no big deal (i.e. "So? He just killed Afghan people!"). I remember one lady just dehumanized the Afghan civilians, as the Afghan people (as she put it) were just "primitive cave dwellers one step away from the stone age" (I am paraphrasing).
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2012-06-18, 20:45 | Link #3271 | |
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I also don't know ASG What is it? |
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2012-06-18, 20:59 | Link #3272 |
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Actually the ASGs here are far more inferior compared to those in the Middle East. CAlling themselves as extension of Al-Khaida is a joke, they can't even do suicide bombings, they're damned cowards! They're robbers, rapist, looters, bombers and insurgents. Another thing is that they kill priest and humanitarian people who helps people. What the hell?! Islam forbids killing of medical personels or anyone who help other people in need (even priest). I worked in a military hospital and a Muslim soldier said to me that he never have a second thought in killing an ASG. He said, " they're not worth to be captured alive." |
2012-06-18, 21:09 | Link #3273 | |
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Indeed, I remember that in the movie "The Message" a person who helps others no matter what it is can not be harmed even in the middle of a war zone. Do they even study the wisdom of Mohammad? I mean he is pretty clear in what he says. Oh whoa, I suppose when someone does evil acts and has no remorse, that feeling is bound to emerge~ |
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2012-06-18, 21:44 | Link #3274 | |
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Mohammad’s teaching is peace indeed. And hurting peaceful non-muslims (let alone killing them) is absolutely out of the questions. The excellent thing is, his teachings (from Allah) has balance between gaining as much as you can in this world and saving plenty for the afterlife. So, if you become a pious person in Islam, it doesn’t mean that you must let go any of your possessions. Islam only ask you to not be so attached to the worldly things (coz you’ll lose them eventually), but not forbid you from enjoying it. Yes, Islam does forbid things like drinking any kind of alcohol, eating pork and doing free/irresponsible sex. But you gotta admit, the world still has plenty to offer . Oh yeah, I'm a muslim btw .
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2012-06-18, 21:51 | Link #3275 | |
Juanita/Kiteless
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See, just like what you are talking about, that is all I was getting at in my rant I made recently (towards certain Christians). Some Christians I'm so mad with because, like I said, they ignore or oppose some of the best and most important teachings from Jesus himself.
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2012-06-18, 22:03 | Link #3276 | |
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When I read the Qur'an (It's actually my mothers) I found so many contradictions between what it was saying, and how the people were acting. You're definitely right about gaining things through spiritual means. The thing about the vices that people follow is they over indulge in them, and they don't even realize there is more to the world than those things. So they're so focused on it- It's sad~ Edit: Also to further help Urzu's point I was shown this once And got a lot out of it~ I think it's been posted here before? |
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2012-06-19, 07:52 | Link #3277 |
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In summary: It's easier to cherry pick something you don't know about. If you're gonna defend something, at least know what you're defending or you'll be a sheep in a herd. That or you'll grow into an idiot like that preacher who wanted to put all the homosexuals in an electrified fence. Dumbass.
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2012-06-19, 08:17 | Link #3278 |
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To be fair to the fanatical believers out there, a couple of famous philosophers, namely Immanuel Kant and Soren Kierkegaard, that belief in God is justified precisely because it transcends the boundaries of reason itself. With this perspective in mind, I think that religious faith and scientific reasoning are largely incompatible, especially since one side stresses the value of belief despite the absence of evidence. Thus, finding a middle ground between the two would be difficult, if not impossible.
As for myself, I simply disagree with the idea of organized religions since religion and spirituality are personal in nature. They are manifestations of of one's own experiences and realizations. As such, introducing homogeneity to religious belief takes away the individuality from the experience. It becomes an exercise of conformism, rather than a journey for fulfillment and self-discovery.
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2012-06-19, 08:28 | Link #3279 | ||
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After all, wherever and whenever you die, that guy up there does the judging. It may been good to expedite the course of judgment for such maddened people, but there is no end to them. As fellow human beings, why not give a chance? If you can of course. Quote:
The preacher is no doubt a dumbass.
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2012-06-19, 08:34 | Link #3280 | ||
The Happy Camper
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I like your way of thinking, good sir! But what about catgirls? They're with the innocent ones? |
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