2008-05-31, 14:41 | Link #641 |
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The name is too plain and obvious for me to really consider it, but anything is possible I suppose.
Hmm, those two do look a bit similar. And they are both voiced by Yukana? Well, I guess it doesn't matter if they look similar or anything since this is a completely different work. Curious though.
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2008-05-31, 16:04 | Link #642 |
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hm they have the same VA? I kinda had a feeling that I had heard the voice before when Tear sings the Fonic hyms
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2008-05-31, 22:06 | Link #644 |
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I'll have to look this up. I doubt it means anything though. Maybe Taniguchi heard her in this role or she auditioned using a similar voice. Not sure how exactly that works.
The slight similarities in looks and attire are rather funny though
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Dann, let me start off by apologizing. If I came across as crude earlier, I'm sorry. You have some good ideas and strong thoughts, but you need to learn to present them better like you did in this post. Seriously, dude, you should consider changing your posting habits so that it's all about quality, not about quantity. With that said, I am glad to reply to your ideas and opinions.
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However, keeping with your analogy, C.C. being the Lady of the Lake does fit well. She gave Arthur Excalibur and what-not, so, like, yeah. Could fit that way. Trying to remember my original argument for the Green Knight, but I remember saying how Lelouch was kind of like Gawain. Gawain is Arthur's son and in the poem, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight proclaims to be the weakest of Arthur's sons, similar to the way as Charles deemed Lelouch to be the weakest. It was Gawain's desire to prove himself to Arthur that he took the challenge from the Green Knight and by the end of the poem, he's proven himself not to be weak, but he doesn't really come across as a badass, either. I should totally find the posts... --- Elevator Music --- Ah-hah, found them: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=144 http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=146 Give'em a read and tell me what'cha think! I would love to hear some more opinions on it. Quote:
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I think I should put this idea forth that the machines and their names played out a story for us in the first season, one that was somewhat displaced from their pilots. What I mean by this is: Gawain is introduced as a rather weak thing, it's attack may have been powerful but it was uncontrollable. It eventually returns as a true weapon but is now in the hands of Lelouch (the one to represent Gawain by your analogy) and C.C, which as I stated above fits Morgan. Following this, it and the Lancelot team up, and ultimately the Gawain falls at the end of S1 while the Lancelot remains. Suzaku defeats Lelouch. Lancelot defeats Gawain (not directly, of course). Quote:
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2008-06-01, 02:40 | Link #647 | |
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I will add that Arthur Pendragon is the son of Uther Pendragon and Igerne (wife of Gorlois, Le Duc de Cornouailles). Uther raped her... with the help of Merlin's Magic. In the second one, it differs here about the first version. Uther made a deal with Merlin. In order to get Igerne, Uther has to give the baby to him just after arthur's birth. Uther has accepted, then refuted. During his chase of Merlin (who took the baby), he's killed by his enemies, but before that, he set up Excalibur in a rock. In this version, Anna is the daughter of Igerne and Gorlois, and half sister of Arthur. She will become Morgane and have a son with Arthur (she drugged him), Mordred. Last edited by Narona; 2008-06-01 at 02:51. |
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And yeah, dude, I think you understood exactly what I was saying about the whole Gawain/Lancelot thing. I really like how you brought the Morgan comparison with how the Gawain mech requires both Lelouch and C.C. to pilot it. I think that fits really, really well. In the poem, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Gawain is entirely at the Green Knight's mercy, even when Gawain didn't know it. The Green Knight, assuming the guise of a normal man, takes Gawain in and does everything that medieval hospitality requests. Then at the end of the poem, Gawain must complete his end of the deal and let the Green Knight strike him. This dependency on the Green Knight is interesting and I think you've made a great comparison between that and the necessity to have C.C. in Gawain's cockpit. Quote:
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It makes me wonder, if the Arthurian tradition is, in fact, the key to the Code Geass story, where does C.C. fit in? I love how we're able to cobble together these amazing ideas, but it's so disgruntling to eventually hit a wall and go, "I just won't know until they tell me." EDIT: By the way, I'm really sorry for the double post. I probably should've just edited the post above this one. Last edited by Esper 28; 2008-06-01 at 03:08. Reason: Forgot to add something... |
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There are very few heroes who ever conquer everything, mostly because at that point they are not a hero in the traditional sense but more a god (Kira Yamato for a contemporary example). A hero must be capable of losing everything and, by Greek method, does lose everything to gain everything else. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a good example Spoiler for Slgihtly spoiler:
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2008-06-01, 23:22 | Link #651 | |
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I don't quite remember all the details, but I believe it was in one of these little extras on the DVDs. Anyway, C.C. had a conversation with Lelouch on how inaccurate the history books were or something like that. Anyway, she made it clear that she personally knew both Washington and Franklin and revealed that Franklin betrayed the rebels for the title of Earl. C.C. attributed this to him being much too kind for his own good. Washington ended up getting killed in the end because of all this. I personally think she was contracted with Washington since that seems more fitting for her since he became the leader of the rebels and all. Not sure myself. C.C. and Marianne appear to get along from their conversations and they appear to have some sort of agreement which makes me wonder if Marianne either had a contract with C.C. or promised C.C. that she could form a contract with her son. I fear what Lelouch's reaction would be to such a thing. Well, she personally never showed any interest in Charles from what I saw. Now, it could be that dethroning him could actually be Marianne's goal. The only reason I can think for that is that she may want to stop whatever he is doing or make sure her son becomes the new leader (I really hope this isn't it myself since it would just feel so lame for him to take such a position). And that is a good example with Jebediah of what I meant. If she was someone like Morgan, maybe she wasn't quite as evil as she may have seemed and Arthur was actually not as "good" as he has been portrayed. Well, world domination seems to be something he's pursuing though he never seemed quite that zealous about it as some others we have seen. Well, killing Gods must serve some purpose that benefits V.V. and perhaps Charles as well. Well, Marianne did want C.C. to guide him. Of course, she retorted that such a thing wasn't her job and she was just going to watch. The greater good might not always be the best thing though. Look at the movie Hot Fuzz. I'd think informing Lelouch he has someone who might go against him who is working with his father and is like her would be something to tell him. I sort of got the feeling she wasn't expecting him to interfere directly with them though. Of course, her whole thing in 25 where she said she didn't know and Lelouch believed her wasn't exactly a good sign since she obviously did know. The lying really needs to stop. FO pretty much made it clear they are definitely enemies now who cannot tolerate each other's existence. I fear she hasn't told him because telling him would turn him against her. I still fear that will happen. She seems to keep as much info from him as possible. I suppose she only told him about V.V. though because it was something he probably should know about. Well, I think she picks whoever she finds since those with potential don't seem to be all over the place (though it seems we have quite a few right now, don't we?). She did try to ease his pain after his Geass went permanent, but ended up making things worse than they already were. What makes her look bad was that Mao killing all these people wasn't as much a problem as him turning away from the world and thus losing his right to the contract. I suppose the years have lost C.C. her sense of mercy and the ability to trust other people though. Meh, I'm really only like this here. I do post here more than anywhere else though.
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2008-06-01, 23:34 | Link #656 |
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Just because someone favors some pairing in some other discussion/debate doesn't mean it will transfer over here. For instance, my reply had nothing bashing C.C. but simply an elaboration on points I found to be interesting. They may be negative points in your eyes but it has nothing to do with 'favorite pairs' or whatnot. This is a discussion about a character, one that is touching on myth that has interesting implications.
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I also agree with you on Lancelot. I never meant to imply that Lancelot, or Suzaku for that matter, are faultless heroes. They certainly have their faults, but those faults are what make them real characters. It's funny you mention Kira. I'm a huge Gundam fan and I just think Kira is the perfect example of a "god-like" character. Perhaps it would be fair to compare Suzaku to Amuro and Lelouch to Char? I better not because that could open a whole 'nother can of worms and, besides, this is a C.C. thread and I haven't thought of where I'd place her in a Gundam analogy. Quote:
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I like it as well, though I'm not sure if we'd ever go that much into it. And this depends on her being Morgan at all. Yeah, I love that movie as well. The entire thing was great for me. Shaun of the Dead was another favorite of mine with many of the same actors. She did say in 24 that she would tell him eventually about why she knew about the garden which means she will tell him about Marianne at sometime, though I can't help but wonder if it won't be at the time where it's too late for Lelouch to change his mind at the end about not being manipulated. Or V.V. could pop in and reveal everything to try and mess with both of them. It seems that she had some sort of thing with Marianne and that earlier she was watching over Lelouch and Nunnally for her, though it is unknown if she knew he had potential. I still wonder if the whole assasination was a way of maturing his potential for Geass. That would really make Marianne and C.C. look sinister and cruel. She probably knew all about him and was just waiting. I love that movie. The first one at least.
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Geez, I'm gone for like 1 day and there's a gazillion posts a mile wide all over the place , I'm going to have to read all of it some other time but,
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I'd think the same thing, the flashback is very interesting, I've read somewhere that C.C met Lelouch and even interacted with him at a certain point, but Lelouch doesn't remember anything about it. C.C can't choose who she gives Geass to, however it is noted that the Emperor chooses his wives that are capable Geass users which could mean Lelouch was compatible from the start and why Marianne wanted Lelouch to have Geass when it was his time. Marianne might have wanted Lelouch to overthrow his father and make the world a better place? I mean there is war everywhere, and if Brittannia just halted, It might become better
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