2009-11-09, 09:43 | Link #1502 |
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Ive read translation by shadow-skill - same guy who is translating this manga for CXC scans, so Ive a reason to believe his translation is correct.
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What I liked about that chapter - Medaka brother as sis-con. It's silly but funny. I also like that there was no sudden change in Medaka - Zen relationship. Some people, after reading raws, believed that Medaka suddenly started to shown feelings for Zenkichi. It wouldn't make any sense because it would contradict last 26 chapters. Author refused to give me another reason for complains
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2009-11-09, 10:12 | Link #1504 | |
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In this topic, or on mangafox forums, there was many times explained - with arguments, that Zenkichi is mentally weak, psychically (relatively) weak, Medaka doesn't love him and so on. So far MB fans failed to give any valid contrarguments, other than: I think otherwise.
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2009-11-09, 10:21 | Link #1505 | |
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About the issue of Zen, considering it's Medaka's brother who is training him, I wouldn't be surprised if that training consists on something more than just strengthen your body. As for the other, I can't understand how not explaining something that always can be explained later is bad writing. If anything, the author is keeping it to explain later like many authors do. And considering his reputation as novel writer I wouldn't underestimate him. Plus you're making too many assumptions such as accussing him of not having any idea of being sure with the direction of the plot when you don't even know that for sure. And same goes for the supossed "genre jump" assumption. Honestly, I think you're overdoing a bit Oh, and Zen not having a schoolarship says a lot and further confirms he can belong to any of the classes, even abnormal since his blood is AB. |
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Sorry, I was talking about MB fans in general, not about you personally.
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2009-11-09, 10:54 | Link #1507 | |
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Have to say, I agree with your points about the timing
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2009-11-09, 10:58 | Link #1508 |
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My take on the translation:
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I agree with Arturro that the manga has been lackluster in its writing. Writing a manga and a novel are two completely different animals. In a novel, you have time to introduce characters and write their backgrounds and describe characters in detail. In a manga, you just have a picture with a few words and I feel he spent way too much time "explaining" in the bubbles and not enough time just showing us. Plus, he did introduce way too many characters too early and then seemingly dropped them. It's one of the biggest reasons that Zen was lost in the shuffle. I mean, Onigase was introduced-- and then made irrelevant by Unzen. Akune and Kikaijima were introduced, given one chapter to themselves and then pushed to the back burner, after everyone thought they'd be major player because they were part of the student council. Of course, the council thing has pretty much been downplayed as well. The manga is getting better in my mind, so I'll have to see where it's going to go from here. It was dead last in the rankings this week, but survived again it seems as Wajima was cut instead.
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2009-11-09, 11:38 | Link #1509 |
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Yes, I'm rooting for underdogs, so I want Zenkichi to be a underdog, not a gary stu. But I want to see a reason, how Zenkichi could win with any abnormal. Abnormals so far were portrayed as so much above humans (specials included) that there should be no way for humans to defeat them in 1 on 1 combat. I dislike Nabeshima fight with maid girl, even if Nabeshima is a special, experienced martial artist and cheated, she still shouldn't have won that fight. On the other hand it's looks that author noticed that he overpowered abnormals and in last 3 chapters he started to downgrade their strength.
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2009-11-09, 12:41 | Link #1510 | |
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I feel like I'm repeating myself, but you act like the uber overpowered (by description at least) person getting trashed by the seemingly underpowered individual is new. That pattern occurs almost every time in most shonen. The only reason the abnormals were hyped, or by that matter, any opposing force in any manga is hyped, is so our happy go lucky heroes can bring them down (eventually) and the win can be considerably dramatic. My only guess as to why people dislike this being done in Medaka Box is that it is happening a bit too close to the introduction of the abnormals, so the hype is lost. Nabeshima's win is viable, but probably a bit too soon. |
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2009-11-09, 13:03 | Link #1511 | |
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MB is a very interesting manga when we look at all those tiny details, almost every panel have some information, hint etc. Initial plot was great (relationship between too perfect girl and normal boy - nothing new, but still interesting). A few interesting characters have been introduced, but character development is done terribly. And worst part - plot, or rather lack of plot. I know that for many shounen manga random fights works as plot, but for me it's just an proxy for plot. Read my earlier post about bad timing in this "plot" development.
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2009-11-09, 13:15 | Link #1512 | |
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2009-11-09, 13:36 | Link #1513 | |
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2009-11-09, 14:15 | Link #1514 | |
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2009-11-09, 16:25 | Link #1515 | |
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First - it's a fan made explanation. Don't understand me wrong, I love to speculate about mangas, books, films etc. Sometimes fan made speculations are better than authors works itself (this thread is one of those). The problem is that in MB fans are forced to explain almost every part of medakaverse, because author refuse to explain anything. Second problem is that yours explanation contradict what was told in the manga. 1. Unzen told Zen that Medaka is in danger, because his sister might attack her. Unzen knows how strong Medaka and his sister are. He assumed that Myougi was dangerous for Medaka, not the other way. It means he believed that Myougi is strong enough to defeat Medaka, so she should be at least as strong as Medaka. In other words his sister should be high tiered abnormal, not the weak one. Of course you could explain that Unzen didn't know Myougi true strength, or that he was blinded because of his love for sister, etc. But explanation which need an explanation aren't very convincing. 2. Do you remember Akune introduction arc? Before abnormals were introduced? Nabeshima told that Akune and Medaka are geniuses (Akune at first was portrayed as a slightly weaker, male version of Medaka), while Zenkichi is not, and as a normal human he should stick with another humans. And she invited him to judo club, telling him that within half a year she should train him so he should be able to win a fight with a genius like Akune. She considered herself, as well as Zen, as normal human. She is a third year, so she should at least hear about flask plan, and it should be easy for her to recognize how strong someone is. In other words she assumed that Akune is stronger than her. Akune, that guy who was as useless as Zenikichi during Medaka vs. Unzen fight. So she wasn't a high tiered special, rather a low one. Of course you could explain that she underestimated her own strength, or something like that, but it will be again another explanation for an explanation. On the other hand, she attacked Myougi on her own, so she was expecting that she could win. IMHO it's just another proof that first 10 chapters doesn't fit with current chapters.
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2009-11-09, 19:37 | Link #1516 | |
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2009-11-10, 05:09 | Link #1517 | |
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If you're talking WSJ than for 2009 the top 3 series would be... Beelzebub, Kuroko and (lol) Medaka Box. Very weak 2009 for WSJ, 08 was much better with Bakuman, Toriko, Nurarihyon no Mago and PSYREN. |
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2009-11-11, 01:29 | Link #1518 |
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Hmm, I don't really mind 'Gary Stu'-ish main characters as long as the plot gets there properly. That being said, my impression on the term 'Gary Stu' is that it is used to describe main characters who are perfect from day one, and the series is just the author masturbating to how awesome that character is.
That is to say, I'm interested in Character development. Starting with the main character being weak, inept, and cowardly and through the course of the series (With some believable catalysts) the main character becomes strong and heroic. Or at least stops being such a fuck up. So I wouldn't call Zenkichi a Gary Stu character, but the series would be pretty poor if he suddenly becomes amazing. I would like to see them do something about the Flask plan though, the director/principal fellow essentially said the project was designed to figure out a way to turn normal humans into geniuses; and I think this would make a good plot device with Zenkichi if utilized properly. Hopefully the series will have his strength increase at a somewhat more probabilistic rate and his relationship with Medaka develop realistically as well. If they toss Zenkichi into the Flask plan and he becomes an abnormal I wouldn't mind some chapters concerning him coming to terms with the new development; perhaps he becomes psychologically unstable and needs to find some normalcy in his life, which could tie in well with how the dynamics of his relationship with Medaka change. |
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Nurarihyon no Mago is beating in the TOC lately only being behind Naruto and Bleach and it was a bottom 5 dweller for a long time...
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13, *67,147 *67,147 Kuroko no Basket vol.4 (up 24k from vol 3) 16, *53,986 *53,986 Psyren vol.8 (down 6k from vol 7) I guess Kuroko's color page spamming is getting more justified now since it's selling rather well. *7, *87,761 *87,761 Beelzebub vol.3 Beelzebub will break the 100k in a week mark soon. |
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