2013-01-03, 06:55 | Link #41 |
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It's interesting that Kirito and Haru are wrote by the same man. But yeah, they are very different from one another.
I think that SAO's writer realized he kind of overdid it with Kirito, and Haru was the result of him attempting to add greater balance and more flaws/weaknesses to his next male lead. And I think he largely succeeded with Haru... although he might have went a touch too far. On the whole, I will say I enjoyed Accel World more than I did SAO, though I suspect that's a pretty rare and controversial opinion.
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2013-01-03, 07:13 | Link #42 | |
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And I say this as someone who likes Shinji and dropped SAO
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Ditching morality is something for villains, anti-heroes or people who fall under the chaotic neutral alligment. I have no idea how that is related to "good is dumb". Your view (like your previous posts) is extremely narrow. Quote:
While there are other stories that are more about camaraderie and teamwork. The final battles in movies like lord of the rings and almost every story in rpg's are not won by just a single person. Quote:
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2013-01-03, 07:35 | Link #44 | |
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I prefer late-bloomers better than MCs who start strong, but I also like the latter. About 70% of posts in MAL's Accel World forums are Haru hate. And since SAO is more popular, I assumed Haru haters dropped AW for SAO just because they can't take Haru's design seriously. |
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2013-01-03, 20:22 | Link #47 | |
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2013-01-04, 01:12 | Link #48 |
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I have no problem with awesome nor exceptionally badass MCs, but when other people create unnecessary rant about why they don't like these kinds of MCs. The problem isn't because people don't like them. It's because, in trying to justify why they don't like it, some people choose to make rash unsubstantiated claims about the supposed "objective faults" of them. In the end it almost always really comes back to "well, I didn't like it (and I think I have good reasons)". But not liking them is a preference and not a fact; it's the unique combination of the viewer and the object being viewed
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2013-01-05, 02:13 | Link #49 |
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Thirds this. Kouta is definitely the best male in the series, if not the best character period. Saeko is the only one who can compete with him in terms of sheer awesomeness IMO.
Also, as per the discussion on Accel World, for me, the reason I preferred Sword Art Online had nothing to do with the main characters, but rather because there was more at stake, dying in game=dying in real life. |
2013-02-07, 00:59 | Link #51 | |
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Another popular "badass" Guts lost all of his friends in a bloody betrayal, and did go through the "I don't need anyone but myself" phase, but have matured to lead a band of followers in friendship. No one would dare call Guts anything but a "badass" unless they are insane. Like someone else mentioned, your stereotype fits the bill of a western video game character more closely than anime or manga.
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2013-02-07, 01:27 | Link #52 |
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^ More or less.
In the end, I actually find it pretty disturbing that some viewers, particularly the Western ones (though not all of them), actually want their anime MC's to be like their more "badass" Western counterparts. Despite, you know, anime being catered to the Japanese audience. |
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2) Oreki Houtaro from Hyoka - Again, does not have a particularly sad past, cares about his friends and is extremely lazy to do anything let alone try to "conquer the world". 3) JoJo - people have already brought up why 4) Gon from HxH - people have already brought up why There are many others that I do not care to list. It's actually pretty hard for me to find someone who fits this list to a T. It's pretty much impossible, since everyone subverts it in one way or the other. I think you are just generalizing based on bad experience with one character or another (e.g. Kirito). Also, I do not find characters like Kirito particularly attractive. He is extremely bland and one-dimensional and his baddass-ery does not really impress me in a way that other characters do (e.g. Guts or Zoro).
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2013-02-07, 08:49 | Link #54 |
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I'm still totally clueless about what the OP is complaining about, but why are there no female characters in this discussion? Balsa from Moribito is one of the most impressive characters in anime, but she is not overpowered, just someone who trained hard from childhood. Her abilities are portrayed in the very first episode. Nakajima Youko from Twelve Kingdoms starts off as a wimp, but she doesn't have a "sob" story background. Her parents seem well-to-do, and she is an iincho. She still undergoes the most profound character development I've seen in an anime.
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2013-02-07, 09:25 | Link #55 |
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I assume it's also applicable to female characters, not just the male ones?
Well, I do find female MC's in general interesting, because 80% of the time the MC is always male. For example, Medaka. I haven't watched the anime yet, but I think I would like her because despite being overpowered, she's just as girly as any other anime female. Unlike some I heard of who don't feel or look like a woman at all. So basically, what I really hate about overpowered characters is: 1. I don't find any explanation as to how did they get that strong to be sufficient to suspend disbelief. If it's received through training, they don't have to show the entire training process, just a good portion of it would be enough. If it's a power given to them, they could show their struggles to master their powers. 2. The intelligent ones (like Lelouch and Light) tend to flunk in the socials and morality departments. But it's just me thinking that media seems to portray intelligence as something evil and that morally upright characters are not capable of executing complex schemes. Last edited by judasmartel; 2013-02-08 at 04:54. |
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Simon from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
He won any fight he fought. He only lost the ones where he was not really willing to fight. He has character development. (To put it in a way to avoid spoilers) : He gets compared to a certain "classical" badass character and even gets his own nickname in the fandom derived from said character. The only reason he is not widely considered "badass" is because of Kamina overshadowing him, but that was even used as a plot point in the anime. now to "attack" your list: Well this is true, however this aspect is COMPLETLY COVERED BY THE 1st EPISODE. I can just ignore dramatic events from the main story here as that does not count to "backstory". Quote:
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1. At the beginning (which was however explained only later on in full detail). 2. Somewhere in the middle which was not related to a fight but only for plot progression instead. 3. Thrown in just after there was a Diabolous Ex Machina. But even though it did come quite out of nowhere, it was an inspiring moment. "???"!!! Maybe. (for further details see response to list part number 7) repeat for infinite ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!
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He and Saeko were AWESOME.
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I originally believed that total badasses who own everything effortlessly ruins the story and makes it boring, until I came across a particular novel, which exceeds the definition of badass MCs by all standards (even when we compare to all the badass MCs animated till now, I believe). Surprisingly, due to the execution and setting and worldview and characters, I find it extremely intriguing and entertaining. Though without a doubt, it has garnered some hate, but IMHO, I believed that it's because the haters are blinded by their own belief (which I also previously had) that total badass MCs are bad, and not reading the story properly (and putting all the aspects together to form a more holistic opinion) or not reading far enough to understand the story to make the proper assessments. Oh yeah, just for the record, I thought SAO was pretty good, but not great and way overrated IMO LOL. /runs and hides in the bushes By the way, I hope you never took the posts from MAL and ANN seriously, because I never did. I personally find many of posters are either immature or shallow watchers of anime. |
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Well, I did took comments about Accel World at MAL pretty seriously. These really blasted the crap of out me that I can't help but face palm every single time. It eventually occurred to me that, yeah, shallow anime viewers are shallow. They only watch thin and lanky MCs that fit the Western badass archetype well. But thing is, 99% of action anime is all about thin and lanky guys. When I watched Accel World, I felt it was nice to have a fat MC for a change. Then things went out of control when I automatically assumed that Haru haters were Kirito fans. Fortunately, I was able to find haters of BOTH characters ("Haru was too wimpy (okay, Judas here knows that), Kirito was so generic") so my head cooled off a great deal after that. |
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So give me some examples then of western badass characters who are similar to the ones you see in animes? The usual Western stereotype of badass characters are usually the ruff and sometimes overly muscular characters with a dark personality, not the "thin and lanky" types The problem that i have with your thread is that your overgeneralization of anime main character in itself is shallow. Because most of this comes from your dislike of SAO and Accel World protagonists |
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