2009-05-11, 20:24 | Link #2541 |
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So, anyways earlier i went on this news site and saw something about a us soldier killing 5 other us soldiers, but when i went back to find it just now it somehow disappeared.
Information control much? through the power of google i did find a uk site that had it though. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-shooting-iraq And even THAT article, which is BRITISH, sounds like they were forced to write it under US orders. Seriously. It sounds like they're trying to dehumanize the killing by reporting tons of other murders. good thing we have the u military to protect us and the government to protect the military, eh? |
2009-05-11, 20:36 | Link #2542 |
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I think Limbaugh's comment on wanting Obama to "fail" is completely asinine and will further hurt the creditblity of the GOP party. Like Reckoner have said, if Obama fails, the country will fail meaning the economy won't be fixed. If the GOP ever want to earn it's creditability back, they need to distance themselves from Limbaugh, Cheney and Fox News... but the possibility of that happening is very low.
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2009-05-11, 20:52 | Link #2543 | |
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cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...nce/index.html msnbc: (video) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...90242#30690242 fox: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519788,00.html
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2009-05-11, 21:39 | Link #2544 | |
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I also want to reiterate for you that I don't really know if conservatism is the right way either so don't go thinking I'm some crazy ditto head, I just happen to have to listen to him a lot when I forget my I-pod and I have really good retention skills. My dad is super-ultra-conservative small business owner guy so a lot of times we talk politics during rides to jobs and what not, he is not a fan of Obama so a lot of the stories that I post are things that we might have talked about. I actually try to keep a pretty open mind about things but lately I've been feeling pretty negative about our current President but I don't really want him to fail. It's just that I tend to try to provoke discussion from a more liberal leaning audience like this one because I don't get to hear their side as much. Which is really funny considering I live in Massachusetts which is supposed to be this massive liberal hot-bed. Funny thing is I meet a lot of people in construction between laborers, bosses, and home-owners/customers, hardly any of them have anything good to say about our liberal Gov. or our liberal President. I always try to hear peoples views on political philosophy because I find it interesting, but I rarely get to hear a well thought out and "real" feeling version of Liberalism. I'm surrounded by conservative people except for when I'm going to college which is an off and on thing. The only time I ever meet a person that actually cares about politics they are conservative. When I talk to people that are more supportive of Obama it's usually people who don't really think or care about politics at all. So if I come of as just a simple minded, myopic conservative type it's really only because I want to get a reaction to spark discussion from people I really don't get to hear the opinions of often.
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2009-05-11, 21:47 | Link #2545 |
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I don't think many conservatives (particularly ones under 40) really understand just how far right the political conversation has moved since Eisenhower's time... nor how history seems to have been ignored in asserting the present so-called 'conservative' business tropes.
Calling Obama a "socialist" .... might as well label Goldwater, Nixon, and Eisenhower as socialists as well... :P In short, if you're not a large corporation or a particular subset of executives, you really aren't invited to the party or the country club.
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2009-05-11, 22:15 | Link #2546 | ||
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The only difference is that he joined the Democratic Party which is somewhat of a party made up of both socialists and conservatives. For the matter, that doesn't change the fact that Obama is a socialist, it only implies that a number of his associates and subordinates are possibly conservatives. That does affect their party policies a bit; of course, Obama wouldn't want his everlasting party members to defect over to either independent seats or their opposition, the Republicans, does he? And thus, his policies aren't entirely socialist because of this huge reason. Quote:
Just because Obama is the president does not mean his success is the equivalent of the success of a country and its people, whereas his failure is also the equivalent of his country and people. If Obama fails, he will be replaced. His country will not fall apart because of a single leader. The leader who is strong is the one who has the support of all his people, not just a handful or two. If Obama cannot win the support and cooperation from the Republicans, he will no doubt fail. Considering the huge differences in perspectives and policies, winning their support and cooperation is pretty much out of the question. |
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2009-05-11, 22:29 | Link #2547 | |
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Define socialism. It seems to be a standard smear term used by the GOP and rightwing talk radio but often they make it fairly clear they only have a foggy notion of what it is. Some of the policies being railed against are concepts that Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon.... and even more recent sorts like William F Buckley supported.
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My point is that the discussion has moved so far right that virtually everyone left of fascism or corporatism is being labeled a "socialist".
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2009-05-11, 22:37 | Link #2548 |
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In any event, the American people has always been able to do the one thing which really kills off anything: ignoring. If the GOP doesn't do anything about its rhetoric and thinks that people will return to the flock without the party having to do some serious house keeping, it's going the way of the dinosaurs.
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2009-05-11, 23:05 | Link #2549 | |
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2009-05-11, 23:06 | Link #2550 | |
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US 'Heartened' By Iran's Release of Roxana Saberi
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2009-05-11, 23:29 | Link #2551 |
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I wasn't trying to argue so apologies if it came off that way... its just that I've heard "socialist" bandied about so much in the US over the last two years, I feel like I have to ask anyone who uses it what they think it means. It is quite remarkable the variety of answers I get ( or non-answers with lots of arm-waving ).
Its really becoming a meaningless word which works against the conservative voices who might have a legitimate beef about some policies. There are a *lot* of relatively conservative people (particularly small business owners) who feel thoroughly abandoned by both parties but especially the GOP. edit: and yes, I'm very glad to see they're releasing Roxana -- that was a travesty of justice by some minor officials who don't quite seem to grasp they're on a world stage now. I won't feel quite complacent though til she's *home*. I'd like to know the name of the poor girl who was flogged by the Taliban and it was video'd ... she unwittingly became an icon that backfired all over the Taliban's plans for Pakistan, driving many Pakistanis away from them.
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2009-05-11, 23:50 | Link #2552 | |
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After reading your post, it's also very clear to me that you don't know anything about New York City or it's financial crisis, and what lead to the meltdown. Start researching from 2001 and there on. Housing market is one of the main topic you can concentrate on for your research. While ignorance is a bliss, it's also a sin! Everyone should make their own effort at acquiring their own knowledge instead of swaying on others take and opinion whether such opinion is legible or not.
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2009-05-12, 07:28 | Link #2554 |
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For me, it is easier not to pass judgement too quickly. Ol' Ted says it better than I do.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
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Although I see this logic, I believe it to be inherently flawed. The fact remains that if a country's leader should fail, so shall his country. It's as simple as that. Negativity breeds negativity, failure, and chaos. Why can't he just say that though he disagrees with Obama's policies, he hopes that they will succeed? He can criticize all he wants, but to outrightly state that he HOPES for failure is a bit much.The negativity coming out from that guy's mouth is staggering, to say the least. He wants Obama to fail, which would lead to a disheartened society, which would lead to more people running back to the GOP. This makes no sense at all when both sides spew empty words about bipartisanship. This form of divisiveness and derision is hardly what we need, and I think it is futile to even attempt at defending him. What he wants is to see Obama fail so that he can say "I told you so." To me, it seems rather unpatriotic just because common sense dictates that we should come together and support the President in this time of economic distress. Instead of saying such vindictive words, he should find another way to offer advice. But alas, this is not the role he plays, and we all know that. |
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Amen. The man just speaks what he believes. It is by no means unpatriotic. |
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2009-05-12, 22:17 | Link #2558 | |
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Gov't protests to NTV for reporter's visit to Etorofu with Russian visa
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"If it is necessary, do it. Otherwise, things will not get done." Unfortunately, when things do get done; things do not sail smoothly, it usually comes with consequences. In this case, it appears that the Foreign Ministry is very unhappy of NTV's actions even though I think they made the right choice. Of course, important figures of Japan such as the government, the military, and the media is best to avoid giving other nations the wrong impression when it comes to the claim of sovereignty. Thus, it appears that I am contradicting myself, even though this really isn't the case. |
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2009-05-13, 01:28 | Link #2559 | |
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And he'd rather be right than have the country prosper - not a poster child for patriotism. |
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I don't think Rush wants any of those things to happen (or am I wrong? I can't picture a "patriotic" person wanting those things for his country). To me, Obama and his administration are trying to develop policies that can alleviate the strain of these inherited problems. So, if these policies fail, that means that these problems will continue to perpetuate. Does anyone really want that (well, besides our enemies)? I don't even think Rush does. So, I don't really understand your quoted text. Quote:
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