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It's true that throughout history great empires have fallen into decadence and corruption after the deaths of their benevolent leaders (Akhenaton, King Rishabha, King Asoka, Nezahuacoyotl), which is why it's of the utmost importance that the state control reproduction, to limit those who are naturally selfish and increase the numbers of naturally empathetic people in the same way Socrates suggests we breed a soldier class in the republic. My only contention with his idea is that I think all citizens should be soldiers. Genes are only responsible for around 50% of an individual's disposition but you can supplement that with social work programs for adults, proper schooling and extra curricular activities that build social and team skills for children, and promoting a culture that does not reward selfish behavior or glorify amorality. In that way, if the masses themselves are better, the likelihood of a great leader being born as a compassionate individual increases, making the selection of the new leader much more stable. |
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2014-08-11, 11:14 | Link #1303 | ||
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2014-08-11, 11:23 | Link #1304 | |
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I believe the idea that people can be and should be reformed to one value is actually one of the greatest dangers to liberty and is responsible for disastrous and atrocious acts like mass deportation or genocides. Besides, try to define what is selfish? Someone who fights for the best for their family? a further extension, for their neighbourhood? or even going further, for their community, city, state, nation? Someone who fights for the best for their nation can be said to be selfish in regard to the whole world! With democracy and a constitution that protects liberal rights, the worst you get is a failing economy and inefficient government; for an authoritarian government, the best you can get are mighty empires, but however the worst you get is far worse than that which befalls democracies... |
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2014-08-11, 11:41 | Link #1305 | ||
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I agree with him, but you have Assad pointing at rebels and the rebels pointing at Assad's regime, so who do you believe? This guy: Or these guys: And as far as telling who has natural inclinations towards selfish and amoral behavior, there are basically two approaches and both must be integrated for maximum success. The first, the traditional is anthropologically through things like life histories and skull structure. As a general rule, descendents of hunters and shepherds are opportunistic, as it benefited them historically to be tribalists, the precursor to racists (the more people who come into your territory, the less of your intrinsically limited resources you have). Compare that with farmers who viewed new recruits as assets and were cooperative, because the more hands you have, the more crops you can grow, the more mouths you can feed. That's a rough way that gives you the right directions to look. The second is looking at the genetic structure itself, which needs more research to be completely viable. Most genetic researchers are preoccupied with finding cures for genetic diseases and links to negative behavior. One base pairing in particular that's responsible for oxytocin regulation can have three possible options: AA, AG, GG and people with a GG pairing have higher levels of oxytocin and as a result are more empathetic and trusting. That's one example, and both methods feed into eachother, like blood type for example can give hints to whether one is a farmer, shepherd or a hunter anthropologically speaking. I'm not saying genetics are entirely responsible for an individual's behavior but it's foolish to deny the influence it has on one's inclinations and desires. It's up to the individual to use will to defy their nature, and in that way attain freedom. However, it would be better if people didn't have to actively fight their natures and it could instead work with them. "Blessed is the lion whom the man consumes and the lion will become man. Cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion will become man." Quote:
The comparison you make is akin to Fascism, with society being an extended family of sorts and I find this just as selfish as caring only for one's self or one's family. You could even consider Secular Humanism to be in the same tribe as that, and I find that particularly insidious because it's hard for most people to detect the selfishness in such a philosophy, even if it's very clear to people like vegans and animal welfare activists. Universal compassion accompanied by righteous fury are the only unselfish attitudes. One must have the same love and acceptance that Jesus and Buddha had and also be willing to take up the sword against injustice like Sikhs, which is why I believe all citizens should be required to own a gun and know how to use it. It's every one's duty to end violence, and unfortunately this often requires the use of violence itself, but if you look at the word violence it does not just mean bloodshed, it's from the word to violate, like violating someone's consent. In a situation like this, one's loyalty is not to any individual, organization, nation, race, or species, but to Justice alone. side note: The Chinese and Japanese word for "Martial" can be divided into two separate symbols meaning "ending" and "violence" and is known as retaliatory violence, and this is the same purpose the government has ideally. I honestly believe a working democracy is worse than a dysfunctional democracy, because I do not trust the majority of people to make the right decisions. While it is useful in the short term during emergencies, on a large scale it's just really bad. The system itself inherently divides a nation into separate camps. Last edited by Cruachan; 2014-08-11 at 12:06. |
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2014-08-11, 12:16 | Link #1306 | ||
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Besides, my entrance into this argument is to point out that chemical weapons do exist there, nothing more. Quote:
Secondly, hunter, farmer, shephard classes have got negligible effect on selfish behaviour. In psychology, there is something known as Social Learning Behaviour, which effects on how people learn to adapt and deal with situations based on prior experience. Even if you are to bring in hormone production influencing behaviour into account (in which oxytocin isn't always what it is), it still ends with a chicken-egg conclusion; correlation does not imply causation. Also, phrenology is considered pseudoscientific - so that is one strike-off under anthrophology if you want to use it as a theory, and stick to how skulls differ from one animal to another instead of how it differs from one human being to another. Thirdly, defying personal nature to suit the dictated needs of society isn't freedom, it is swapping individuality for a cage - even if it is a gilded one, a cage is a cage. Equality does not mean justice, and justice is understood differently in every culture. So which is which? Finally, as a note, I would like to tell you that, the world is not flat. People are different, they live in different places with different ideas, the only way can there be peace is when everyone accepts other people for who they are instead of trying to disprove their positive presence in society, whether through science, religion, or some lame cultist belief of a certain superiority. Moderation and tolerance go hand-in-hand, so do justice and equality. There is no bigger dystopia than an utopia - nothing being perfect allows for more opportunities in the various paths each person might take in life. As for your attempts to justify your ideas, it would be better if you use more reason instead of science as the latter contains disputed facts. Until the researchers have ironed it out, you might want to quote it as a "possibility" rather than an "absolute". Reliance on intuition without experience leads to more wrong facts because the underlying reason leads nowhere with just one factor. And you might want to stop quoting sayings. In the scientific writing, it is often viewed as a sign of embellishment and ego-tripping.
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2014-08-11, 12:41 | Link #1307 | ||
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Obeying your own nature is in fact slavery, the only way you can achieve freedom is from using your own will to decide what paths to take. It's natural for all humans to want to survive, so if you defy that will and become a martyr or choose to starve instead of consume living beings (like some monks have in the past) then you attain true freedom. Note that freedom and liberty are not synonymous. The only reason to heed to your nature is so that you might continue surviving until you complete your mission, this is the essence of militarism. I'm not going to take something someone said which was concise and meaningful and then paraphrase it, that's just creating a pointless separation between the person and the idea. |
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So you might want to list HOW you are going to determine quality in a SCIENTIFIC writing with ALL point, proof and pertinence present instead of just going about your beliefs on how everyone should subscribe to it because it has got "scientific" backing. Also, anthropology has got little and nothing to do with moral implications - the brain is still a black box regardless of size and shape. You might want to stick with the argument of how the amygdala size affects the ability to see trust, or that the endocrine system maintains balance in all the hormones and neurotransmitters even if they are disputed facts. Quote:
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Besides, you are not giving the person credit by naming the person who quoted that phrase. Look, I would appreciate if you stop beating around the bush and start defining your bloody vocabulary. You are clogging up the thread spinning around cliches with no grounding, then quoting bits of science to attempt to back your findings. I come here to read opinions - if I wanted a sermon I would have gone to my local religious community. If you have a beef with this post, go to PM - let's stop clogging up the thread.
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2014-08-11, 13:30 | Link #1310 | |
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New York Times Reporter Calls Obama 'The Greatest Enemy Of Press
Freedom In A Generation': "The New York Times reporter James Risen, who faces jail over his refusal to reveal a source and testify against a former CIA agent accused of leaking secrets, has called President Barack Obama “the greatest enemy of press freedom in a generation.” Speaking to his colleague Maureen Dowd, Risen accused the president of aggressively pursuing journalists, including himself, who report sensitive stories that reflect poorly on the US government." See: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-y...eration-2014-8 |
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So I skimmed that, but...does this clear Obama of the blame the Republicans have put on him for Benghazi? Or does this only make it so that Obama and his administration are more at blame for the incident?
I never followed much on the Benghazi incident. Why do republicans blame Obama; is there legitimate grounds, or is it just typical nonsense from the anti-Obama people? (I've always wrote it off as just that, honestly, because those people are completely predictable in how they regard and view Obama)
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2014-09-08, 22:48 | Link #1314 | |
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6 Insane Details of Corrupt Politics That Movies Get Wrong:
"We try to stay positive here at Cracked, but we're starting to suspect that the American political system is fucked. We know it sounds crazy, but hear us out -- Congress' approval is at an all-time low, and a record number of Americans now believe that government corruption is widespread. So how the hell did things get this bad? We wanted to find out, so we sat down with three people who could shine some light on this mystery: the former aid to a high-level career politician, a member of the Electoral College, and the infamous former lobbyist Jack Abramoff (no, really). Here's what we learned:" See: http://www.cracked.com/article_21786...you-think.html |
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Republicans being scummy like usual; trying to suppress the votes of millions of minorities
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=921184 Read the OP. There is a lot more details in the article, but I haven't read it, but I want to read it later. But the gist of it is that the republicans are trying to suppress the votes of millions of minorities in the upcoming election in an attempt to win a senate majority. They have a crosscheck list that they claim is to ensure there is less voter fraud (but trust me, that is complete bullshit and they know what they are doing). But to identify voter fraud, you are banned from voting if simply a first name and last name are shared. No 'Jr.' or 'Sr.' or 'III' or 'IV' in a name needed. Middle names disregarded. Social security numbers aren't even cross checked. Just first and last names. Oh, and the majority of the last names are common surnames for blacks, Hispanics, and Asian Americas, who, by the way, mostly vote democrat. Like one poster says in a summary: Quote:
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2014-11-02, 12:41 | Link #1318 |
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NeoGaf looks like it is the one full of shit.
Here in Colorado we have a huge illegal alien voter fraud problem, and we NEED to suppress that illegal vote for free and fair elections here in this state. So no, the Republicans are actually correct in calling for safeguards on voting, the problem is the Dems know they will lose in a fair election. If you're going to cite such a clearly bias left-wing source, allow me to cite a clearly bias right-wing source to show the other side of this argument.
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2014-11-02, 15:05 | Link #1319 | |
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How are the republicans combating voter fraud appropriately when only first names and last names are cross checked and social security numbers are explicitly not checked? Also, this is a party that is known to attract many bigots and has many bigoted politicians...and the majority of the surnames of those approximately 7 million people on the list are popular surnames with blacks, Hispanics, and Asian Americans, while whites are underrepresented...and you think that this is a good and fair attempt by the republicans to fight voter fraud? It sure doesn't look like it...
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2014-11-02, 15:24 | Link #1320 | |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...sm-mona-charen The Dems were the party of the KKK, the party of the Southern States, and the party of economic impoverishment. Their history illustrates this well. http://finance.townhall.com/columnis...2012/page/full The real issue here being pushed by the GOP is the illegal alien vote. Racism, bigotry, etc. are all fucking excuses by the left to distract from this very real issue that needs to be dealt with by rounding them up and deporting them and then imposing a strict enforcement of the border using the military. Sen. Guestavo Rivera (D-NY) has made the intentions of the Democrat Party very clear this year and that position is to support illegal voting in this country to fix the vote in favor of the Dems. http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/16/ne...right-to-vote/ The reason the Dems have to do this is because all their predictions of the US becoming a left-wing country as the demographics turn to a more diverse country are now being shot to hell by the reality that more and more Americans of African Decent (and other minorities) are moving to the right away from the "Progressive-Utopian" ideas entirely (meaning towards a more Libertarian view). So no, the GOP isn't the Party of racism, bigotry, or hate, it is in fact the Democrat Party and that truth is finally coming to light within the communities of minorities all over this country and it is about time.
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