Vampire Knight Manga Discussion

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

Seen the scans. Doesn't seem much happens in this chapter.

Ruka looking good on the cover(I ignore Kain's presence as always). Yuki drinks Kaname blood and we get a flashback. More of Kaname tragic past is revealed. Apparently he broke a mirror and gained seven years bad luck! Truly heartrending.

Ruka and Kain are at god knows where when attacked by apparently a woman in cape, probably a former Hunter judging from her weapon. Sob story incoming? Zero's upset about something (shocker) and Sara ready to start some trouble with her boy-toy Ichijou. At the end of the chapter Yuki and Kaname leave there hiding place to set out to bring everlasting peace to the world or start world war III. My bets on the latter happening.

Im hoping its WWIII and no one survives that would be a fitting end.

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Im hoping its WWIII and no one survives that would be a fitting end.

I, too, wouldn't mind that ending though

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

apparently I was mistaken and they're not leaving the mansion. It might be a couple more chapter until we actually get to this meeting.

On a completely random and unrelated note. I noticed in the cover page that Seiren is there also behind Ruka and Kain looking at them. Could this be? Is this a hint that Seiren could have feelings for a certain person??? Is the unemotional bodyguard going to join the relationship fray?

Well probably not but I'll support this pairing. RukaxSeiren is now on the favorite VK pairing list.

[Slick_rick]

Chapter is out.

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

Decent chapter. Very Yuki and Kaname centered. We get to see a little more about purebloods ancestors and their "sleeping habits". The broken glass flashback didn't do much for me. You're lonely, I get it. Way too little Zero and Ruka in this chapter and way too much Kain and Kaname. I figured out why I can't ever like Kaname at least. You might want to skip if you're a big Kaname fan.

Spoiler for Kaname mini-rant:

The guy reminds me too much of Akio from Revolutionary Girl Utena. He's not the same but similar in many ways. The way he talks to Yuki here is classic Akio. He goes out of the way to make her feel guilty and that everything is her fault. Then he plays the classic selfless prince ready to forgive her sins and accept her fully. You rarely see a character who can lay it on so thick. Zero never had to do anything of the sort but she still felt guilty.

Also his lines about the proof that she loved him was that she was chose him seems filled with purposeful misdirection. He seemed to skip the part where he led her into a position where a complete wedge was driven into Zero and Yuki relationship due to the secret and that ever 5 secs he seemed to be reminding her of "the place she belonged". She didn't really have much of a choice now did she? Especially since you kept secrets from her till the last moment. How many more secrets do you have?

I can't like him at all. While Zero isn't perfect he makes no illusions towards that fact. Kaname tries too hard to appear to be perfect but his flaws and failings are there if you look behind the facade. He's way too pompous to stomach at times. If Zero ever becomes like him I'll have to disown this series.

And no this isn't because the chapter was KanameXYuki centered. I'm always 150% confident in the fact that Yuki loves Zero first and foremost. It's just the more I see of Kaname's real personality the less and less I find him likable. The school Kaname was always a facade and I knew this but I was able to at least stomach him somewhat more.

Hopefully we get the meeting next chapter. I'm looking forward to it.

[Sinestra]

Chap 22 was decent but not very good in my opinion. I enjoyed everything that didnt have to do with Kaname and Yuki. I think thats what the problems is there whole story just seems to go in circles and nothing seems to happen. Kaname continues to annoy me to know end and i still have my fingers crossed that he will die by the end of the series. Yuki continues to weak and dependent although she did show some signs of growing up near the end but that remains to be seen.

Zero is pissed off about something that i honestly feel he very well shoudl be pissed off at. This ball has the potential to bring about not only bad memories but some serious disagreements as well. However it does have the potential to bring the HA and the VC closer together and work towards peace. There is slight problem in their plans Kaname knows for sure that Zero will be there but no one has told Yuki that Zero will be there and as far as i know Yuki doesnt know squat about what Zero has been up to nor that he is going to be head of the HA eventually.

oh well at least i got to see to Ruka (though too little) that in itself is worth reading it for. However my curiosity has peeked at the habits of Purebloods looks eternity can get pretty damn boring so they just go to sleep. Id be pissed if someone woke me 200 hundred years earlier than expected lol.
Still hoping for a very bloody end. However i have changed my view both Kaname and Zero can not die because it will leave a power vacuum on both sides. However both of them can not exist in the world too much blood has been spilled. Like i said i hope Kaname goes first the more i see of his real personality the more i dislike him.

[Starry Dust]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Chapter is out.

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

Decent chapter. Very Yuki and Kaname centered. We get to see a little more about purebloods ancestors and their "sleeping habits". The broken glass flashback didn't do much for me. You're lonely, I get it. Way too little Zero and Ruka in this chapter and way too much Kain and Kaname. I figured out why I can't ever like Kaname at least. You might want to skip if you're a big Kaname fan.

Spoiler for Kaname mini-rant:

The guy reminds me too much of Akio from Revolutionary Girl Utena. He's not the same but similar in many ways. The way he talks to Yuki here is classic Akio. He goes out of the way to make her feel guilty and that everything is her fault. Then he plays the classic selfless prince ready to forgive her sins and accept her fully. You rarely see a character who can lay it on so thick. Zero never had to do anything of the sort but she still felt guilty.

Also his lines about the proof that she loved him was that she was chose him seems filled with purposeful misdirection. He seemed to skip the part where he led her into a position where a complete wedge was driven into Zero and Yuki relationship due to the secret and that ever 5 secs he seemed to be reminding her of "the place she belonged". She didn't really have much of a choice now did she? Especially since you kept secrets from her till the last moment. How many more secrets do you have?

I can't like him at all. While Zero isn't perfect he makes no illusions towards that fact. Kaname tries too hard to appear to be perfect but his flaws and failings are there if you look behind the facade. He's way too pompous to stomach at times. If Zero ever becomes like him I'll have to disown this series.

And no this isn't because the chapter was KanameXYuki centered. I'm always 150% confident in the fact that Yuki loves Zero first and foremost. It's just the more I see of Kaname's real personality the less and less I find him likable. The school Kaname was always a facade and I knew this but I was able to at least stomach him somewhat more.

Hopefully we get the meeting next chapter. I'm looking forward to it.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
I knew Kaname reminded me of someone else

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

I see the preparations being made for the next chapter and I'm anxious about it. It's good that we finally have more things to ponder about rather than KanaYuuki's never-ending cycle of angst and despair.

Sad that we only got a tiny glimpse of past-Kaname but oh well. And it's good to see the other Night class vampires around. Makes me happy.
And I really hope Sara becomes a great villian. I don't think no one can surpass Rido and even though he was a crazy-ass villian, ALOT of peope liked him ( even me )

I have hopes for Sara and maybe Kaname will try to free Takuma at the ball or plan something out to know what Sara is up to.

[Foreshadow]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Chapter is out.

Spoiler for Chapter 52:

Decent chapter. Very Yuki and Kaname centered. We get to see a little more about purebloods ancestors and their "sleeping habits". The broken glass flashback didn't do much for me. You're lonely, I get it. Way too little Zero and Ruka in this chapter and way too much Kain and Kaname. I figured out why I can't ever like Kaname at least. You might want to skip if you're a big Kaname fan.

Spoiler for Kaname mini-rant:

The guy reminds me too much of Akio from Revolutionary Girl Utena. He's not the same but similar in many ways. The way he talks to Yuki here is classic Akio. He goes out of the way to make her feel guilty and that everything is her fault. Then he plays the classic selfless prince ready to forgive her sins and accept her fully. You rarely see a character who can lay it on so thick. Zero never had to do anything of the sort but she still felt guilty.

Also his lines about the proof that she loved him was that she was chose him seems filled with purposeful misdirection. He seemed to skip the part where he led her into a position where a complete wedge was driven into Zero and Yuki relationship due to the secret and that ever 5 secs he seemed to be reminding her of "the place she belonged". She didn't really have much of a choice now did she? Especially since you kept secrets from her till the last moment. How many more secrets do you have?

I can't like him at all. While Zero isn't perfect he makes no illusions towards that fact. Kaname tries too hard to appear to be perfect but his flaws and failings are there if you look behind the facade. He's way too pompous to stomach at times. If Zero ever becomes like him I'll have to disown this series.

And no this isn't because the chapter was KanameXYuki centered. I'm always 150% confident in the fact that Yuki loves Zero first and foremost. It's just the more I see of Kaname's real personality the less and less I find him likable. The school Kaname was always a facade and I knew this but I was able to at least stomach him somewhat more.

Hopefully we get the meeting next chapter. I'm looking forward to it.

Spoiler for Kaname:

Personally that is what i like about him. That Perfect, Mysterious, and Manipulative personally just makes me scream , and the fact that Yuki is capable of just tearing down the perfect facade of Kaname is just too cute. I personally hope that this is the end of the Yuki-Kaname -> Just left together adjustment period. Which it should be given Yuki's Resolution at the end of the chapter. Unfortunately she said almost the exact same thing earlier right as the Rido Arc was concluding, so I'm still a little hesitant to accept that she's really accepted her path. Takuma and Sara seem to be getting along a little too well, which is unsettling. That pureblood family in the Gorge on the otherhand, I bet will have something either to do with Kaname's development, Or will come into play with the plot later on. I really hope the Ball is next chapter, so Zero can finally meet with Yuki again after a long time.

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by Foreshadow

Spoiler for Kaname:

Personally that is what i like about him. That Perfect, Mysterious, and Manipulative personally just makes me scream , and the fact that Yuki is capable of just tearing down the perfect facade of Kaname is just too cute. I personally hope that this is the end of the Yuki-Kaname -> Just left together adjustment period. Which it should be given Yuki's Resolution at the end of the chapter. Unfortunately she said almost the exact same thing earlier right as the Rido Arc was concluding, so I'm still a little hesitant to accept that she's really accepted her path. Takuma and Sara seem to be getting along a little too well, which is unsettling. That pureblood family in the Gorge on the otherhand, I bet will have something either to do with Kaname's development, Or will come into play with the plot later on. I really hope the Ball is next chapter, so Zero can finally meet with Yuki again after a long time.

Spoiler for Kaname:

I can certainly see the appeal of a character like Kaname. The qualities you define are great for a one night stand but for an actual relationship I think you'll be left wanting without something more to the relationship. Yuki and Kaname morals are extremely different and her views up till now on him have been the completely wrong and misguided. They have a lot of sexual tension but you should distinguish between lust and love.

I think Yuki resolution will be as hollow as her last one. It's one thing to come to a resolution of your own accord its quite another to get sweet talked into it. She might tell herself she's accepted it but I don't see it being true.

I actually hope we get more Vampire hunters instead of vampires. Where are all their hot guys and girls? Zero needs better looking backup.

[equinox]

Spoiler for might contain spoiler for chapter 52:

chapter 52 sure is not the best chapter... the story just doesn't seem to move since yuki and kaname left the academy... in every chapter we have some loveydovey scenes between them... i think since they killed rido the story doesn't have a climax... i mean before wehad alot of uncovered secrets etc. finally revealing in the end.. but now it's just like matsuri hino shows their daily lives without any dark secrets that make us curious.. and IMO even the genre has changed... before it was mystery and now it's definitely romance...

but next chapter gives me some hope that the story will have some tension again... i hope that yuki and zero will have the opportunity to talk to each other alone (which should be not that easy since kaname won't let yuki alone when zero is around) ... and iwant to know what zero feels.. i mean in the last 5 chapters he doesn't really appear.. and i really would like to know what yuki feels when she is in a place where both men she loves stay oh and maybe in the next chapterwe get to know something about the content of the letter yuki wrote to zero
i'm counting the days till the 22nd of august!!!

[carmolita]

I disagree Kaname never interferes when it comes to yuki and zero. Many times zero should of died and kaname saved him because of yuki. It was only when zero was going to kill yuki with the bloody rose that kaname intervened.... I don't think he would have a problem if zero and yuki met either.. he foresaw all of this and accepted yuki feelings for zero. However zero would have a problem with her because he has issues with himself. We'll find out if he's worked those out at the party or not. After all he already has a list of whose going and I'm sure she's on it...And their are a lot of secrets left to be told. Chapter 52 pointed those out very clearly..

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by carmolita

I disagree Kaname never interferes when it comes to yuki and zero. Many times zero should of died and kaname saved him because of yuki. It was only when zero was going to kill yuki with the bloody rose that kaname intervened.... I don't think he would have a problem if zero and yuki met either.. he foresaw all of this and accepted yuki feelings for zero. However zero would have a problem with her because he has issues with himself. We'll find out if he's worked those out at the party or not. After all he already has a list of whose going and I'm sure she's on it...And their are a lot of secrets left to be told. Chapter 52 pointed those out very clearly..

Spoiler for Kaname:

Kaname never had to actively interfere. He had the ultimate trump card. Her being a pureblood changed the whole story. Zero has always believed that Vampires and humans are incompatible. I don't think he stopped loving but he certainly is unwilling to accept her being the same as the murder of his family at this time and that's would be fairly obvious to Kaname. Especially consider how it was sprung on him. It fairly obvious to see why he'd not welcome the change. Would Kaname accept Yuki if she was just a human who was going to not live for eternity? Seriously seriously doubt it. He wants a partner that can keep his poor lonely self company. He'd go emo and slit his own wrist probably.

Lets look at the times he "saved" his life. The one time he had Zero falsely accused of murdering Shizuka. Arigato! Though I think he could have fought his way out of that. When Zero drank his blood? Possibly but Zero also only wanted to live to help make Yuki happy. Also Kaname took this opportunity to blackmail Zero into not opposing his relationship with Yuki. Hardly pure motives. Other than that I can't see any other instance I would consider "saving" his life unless we really stretch the definition.

Now you say he accepts Yuki feelings for Zero but is that completely true? If Yuki decided that Zero was the one she wanted to be with then what would Kaname do? He stated this chapter he'd kill her. That's pretty accepting huh? Now she could also kill him but I think its fairly obvious that she wouldn't do that. I think it's obvious that when he say he accepts hers feelings for Zero he means that he accepts that her feelings for him outweigh her feelings for Zero but never the opposite. He'd certainly wouldn't. He'd kill her first! Lovely. I think Kaname has more than his own share of issues.

[carmolita]

Kaname didn't say he'd kill her. He said that he wanted her to kill him if she left, and that she has power over him. But I also think thats his way of proving to her that he loves her since she thinks he is joking all the time. Yuki just reciprocated the feelings that she feels the same way, but I don't think it's that extreme. Zero isn't the type of person that can be controlled you must give him credit. Everything that zero has done was of his own free will- kaname merely gave him the power to do that.

[equinox]

Originally Posted by carmolita

Kaname didn't say he'd kill her. He said that he wanted her to kill him if she left, and that she has power over him.

Kaname actually said that he would kill her!!! he said that he either would kill her or she should kill him instead... IMO that means that he thinks that he can't live without her but also can't stand the fact her being together with another man...

but i don't think that he would be able to kill her... i think if she would chose zero over kaname then it would be more likely that he would try to kill zero...

No matter how the story continues, i think in the end we will have a fight between zero and kaname and yuki will chose one of them over the other

And i think the pureblood family which wanted to fall asleep for 500 years will play a bigger role and i have the feeling that behind that door of the mansion, where kaname and yuki live, lies the body of the ancestor of the kuran family...

I'm glad that in next chapter we'll finally have an encounter between yuki and zero... and it will be an extra long chapter.. yaay can't wait till next month

[carmolita]

@equinox
Kaname did not say he would kill her. Please don't take this the wrong way, but you are reading way to much into it/something.. Kaname said (simply put)that he would rather die than be alone/without her and if so he would rather/wants to die by her hand.. and that he would do anything she asked of him...That is his confession of his feelings for her~ No where in chapter 52 does he say that he would kill her...It's not even implied...

[Slick_rick]

Originally Posted by carmolita

@equinox
Kaname did not say he would kill her. Please don't take this the wrong way, but you are reading way to much into it/something.. Kaname said (simply put)that he would rather die than be alone/without her and if so he would rather/wants to die by her hand.. and that he would do anything she asked of him...That is his confession of his feelings for her~ No where in chapter 52 does he say that he would kill her...It's not even implied...

Chapter 52, Page 9: If the only option I had was to lose you then I...I would prefer death instead, be it yours by my hand or..."

It's outright stated. Though I tend to agree with Equinox that he'd probably try to kill Zero instead.

[carmolita]

I stand corrected, but that line has no meaning it's more of him trying to get her attention because she is not taking him seriously (like an attention grabber) - than it actually having any meaning, or implications if you read further what he really wants is to die at her hands not the other way around. He'd never kill her when he's been sworn to protect her for eternity..Again don't read to much into to that-vica versa w/zero-It's a way of taking someone to one extreme to see your point of view....Neither one of them would kill her unless they had a death wish of being killed by cross kaien...

[Mirakuru]

The latest chapters of Vampire Knight are really building up my anticipation for future shifts in the plot. =] I haven't been in the VK subforum for a while so I guess I'll just sum up some of my thoughts. I'm so glad that Zero has overcome (at least that's what it looks like by judging his outward manners and appearance) some of his hatred and sadness over this past year and the fact that he is going to be the future Head of the Hunters' Association really speaks for the progress he's made. =D I was a bit surprised with how Yuuki still seemed insecure with Kaname after they've been living with each other for such a long period of time, but it looks like the recent chapter eased some of the tension that had been keeping the two from developing a closer relationship. =P I'm really really excited to see the vampire/hunter meeting as well as the dynamics that will take place between the two 'representatives' of each side. ;] Though I'm sure Zero & Kaname will be a lot more cooperative with each other based on their current circumstances, and I would actually love to see them openly supporting and helping one another. XD;; And I'm also curious about Zero's reaction when he sees Yuuki at the party... and vice versa. D: Even though Zero has thankfully moved on from all the trauma that's been haunting his life, he really is alone now. =[ Ichiru's not there anymore, and while Yuuki still has feelings for him, she's staying by Kaname's side. I'm glad though that he'll have the support of the Hunters' Association as well as the guidance of Yagari and Kaien. :]

And to wrap up my post (since it's beginning to get long XD), I'm also really interested in learning about Kaname's past life. D: So far the whole topic has been shrouded in mystery, and I wonder if it'll be a problem of conflict in the future... as in, if past enemies or something of the sort will start appearing again. And I also want to know the whole deal between Sara and Takuma... I hope he's not willingly staying with her. Sara kinda creeps me out. =.=;; haha.

[BadtheGuy]

I gotta agree with Slick and Equinox. So not much more to really say on the forced Yuuki-Kaname issue.

I think Yuki resolution will be as hollow as her last one. It's one thing to come to a resolution of your own accord its quite another to get sweet talked into it. She might tell herself she's accepted it but I don't see it being true.

Bingo.
When will cute little Yuuki wake up and take hold of her life? She's being strung around like a puppet. Her entire being right now seems little more than a lie. A false understanding of herself pushed on to her by her do-no-wrongs 'brother' and his subtle manipulations and murmurings. It feels like she is simply grasping on to what he says and what she thinks is right about herself, what she feels is her role and position as a pureblood is. ( Reinforced by Kaname telling her how it is and should be )

She trusts Kaname to a fault and it's blinding her so much that she can't look in the mirror and accept her own judgments of herself. She knows that Zero is important to her and her human life is every bit a part of her now as her vampire is but she fights to suppress it. Until she takes control and accepts herself in it's entirety, I can't see her making a resolute and accurate decision.

God damn it. I feel like she is just a person afloat on a raft in the sea and is just being taken where the current pulls her. She has no control and her feet aren't on anything solid.

All this negativity toward Yuuki is leaving me with hopes that when she finally wakes the hell up, it will be a grand and uplifting revelation. The start of a new attitude and development in her character.

It better happen soon before she falls in to a pit of spikes and it's game over. I give it another 20 chapters or so before it happens if it does. >_> Then hopefully we will see a likable heroine for the rest of the series.

It would be nice to see some more of the Hunter's. So much they could do with them. Where are the cute female Hunter's for Zero?

Oh- since someone mentioned it. Ichijou may not be getting along with Sarah or whatever the woman's name is. Knowing him, he's plotting something to betray her/help Kaname and please his master and God. You know he worships Kaname.

Or, she's just using her pureblood power and is controlling him. This seems more likely, and more interesting.

[equinox]

I agree that Yuki needs to stay on her own feet.. and that's why i think she will end up with zero in the end... she loves both kaname and zero.. but when she's together with zero she is more like herself... i don't know why.. maybe because they know each other since their childhood?

[Zestelne]

Originally Posted by BadtheGuy

1-Zero with Yuuki
2-Yuuki alone and running from Zero
3-Zero killing Yuuki and Kaname together Romeo and Juliet style tragedy.
4-Other

4 - Kaname and Zero get together instead, cause they're both too hot for Yuuki.

...What? :'D

I really don't think it'll end with Yuuki and Kaname together forever, to be honest. If it was destined to be that way then why would the manga continue? A different ending writing off Zero from potentially coming back and killing them would have happened and whee, manga ended. It's boring for everyone if Zero is defeated and Yuuki just goes back to being with Kaname. There's no spice in a storyline like that x3.

Not sure whether Zero will kill them, one of them, or whether Yuuki would leave at her own accord - but I can't see this ending with Yuuki and Kaname being together @_@. We'll see...

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Chapter 52, Page 9: If the only option I had was to lose you then I...I would prefer death instead, be it yours by my hand or..."

It's outright stated. Though I tend to agree with Equinox that he'd probably try to kill Zero instead.

I agree it was outright stated... he basically threatened her

and supposedly its more clear in Japanese, I think its just the way it was translated (nothing against the translator, shes awesome)