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Jan-Poo · 2009-06-30, 22:14

I've heard that a lot, but I don't quite get it. I wonder if it's true or a myth.

If Ryukishi planned since the beginning to name the witch after Dante's Beatrice, then there's no way this is true. Just go to the wiki, look for the divine comedy and switch to japanese. Ryukishi just made a copy and paste of the official transliteration of the name.

Else you need to imagine he started from the idea to call her Beatrix from the common english name, and then after a few researches he found out the Italian version and that that name was an important character of the Divine Comedy. But that sounds unlikely to me. If that's true then the association with the Divine Comedy happened by a mere chance.

Anyway does anyone know where this rumor come from? I've heard it was said in an interview, can someone link it?

Avisch · 2009-06-30, 23:16

This post is where I first saw it.

So yeah nothing really confirmable, unless there's a written interview. I understand your points though.

lovelysan · 2009-07-01, 09:40

I've been trying to train myself to read Beatrice's name with the italian pronounciation as opposed to the English pronounciation. Simply because it seems the italian way was more Ryukishi's intention. However, It is... difficult. (If only for the mental barier XD .)

On the off chance this series ever gets dubbed, my curiosity wonders which pronuncation they would use. Hmmm...

Skullchukka · 2009-07-01, 09:50

Simple; no English dubbing would save everyone!

I'm more leaning about the Italian version on that, by the way.

lovelysan · 2009-07-01, 09:53

...But I like English dubbing ;_; ....

Kitsu · 2009-07-01, 09:54

Me, too! Since Germany didn't even dub Higurashi I don't think they will dub Umineko. mean it will be a pain in the a** to get the DVDs. Shipping from america or england isn't that expensive and it will have english subs so I want a dub

Auria · 2009-07-01, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

Me, too! Since Germany didn't even dub Higurashi I don't think they will dub Umineko. mean it will be a pain in the a** to get the DVDs. Shipping from america or england isn't that expensive and it will have english subs so I want a dub

Me too. But actually listen to dubs I will only if they are highly recommended, because listening to a few (english and german) dubs extremely ruined the anime for me afterwards, though they are some very good ones as well.

chounokoe · 2009-07-01, 16:51

Btw the pronounciation is also given in the Full Version of the Opening of the Visual Novel うみねこのなく頃に.
It is pronounced Be-a-tri-che, but the Japanese version emulates that into be-a-to-ri-che, of course.

Don't know why people still pronounce her in an English way, is it that hard to understand in the Opening or am I listening to much to such stuff?
Ah well...maybe many people don't even know the full size version.

lovelysan · 2009-07-01, 17:43

I didn't notice her name in the song until just the other day ^^;. You have to understand, "Beatrice" is such a common English name that our ears just aren't USED to hearing it any other way.

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-01, 17:46

It is actually written that way in english?

lovelysan · 2009-07-01, 17:57

Yep. English. The language of spelling made to confuse~ (since a lot of words are loan words that we just ended up pronouncing in odd ways.... And then those ways become official.... )

EDIT= As a random side note, http://www.beatrice.ne.gov/ XD .

kagato3 · 2009-07-01, 19:21

Something that has been bugging me. I know that the one wing eagle crest is importent to the family but has it ever been explained why that some like Eva, Jess, and Battler have it faceing the wrong way?

Marion · 2009-07-01, 19:33

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Originally Posted by kagato3

Something that has been bugging me. I know that the one wing eagle crest is importent to the family but has it ever been explained why that some like Eva, Jess, and Battler have it faceing the wrong way?

Technically there's no wrong way for the crest to be presented. As long as it looks like the one-winged eagle and it's visible.

k//eternal · 2009-07-01, 19:36

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Originally Posted by kagato3

Something that has been bugging me. I know that the one wing eagle crest is importent to the family but has it ever been explained why that some like Eva, Jess, and Battler have it faceing the wrong way?

I don't think it makes a difference, since it's about half and half.

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Originally Posted by lovelysan

As a random side note, http://www.beatrice.ne.gov/ XD .

CLEARLY, THIS IS THE GOLDEN LAND

Marion · 2009-07-01, 19:39

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Originally Posted by k//eternal

clearly, this is the golden land

IT'S IN NEBRASKA

Damn, Maria was off by way over 500 miles.

Hareoic · 2009-07-01, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Marion

IT'S IN NEBRASKA

Damn, Maria was off by way over 500 miles.

Holy

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I live in Nebraska, how could I have missed this?!

That reminds me, has anybody figured out what particular island Rokkenjima is based on, if Ryukishi based it on an existing location like Hinamizawa?

Jan-Poo · 2009-07-01, 20:28

I don't think you can say it's based on a particular island. Most of the pictures aren't even taken on an island at all. However in the Ep4 opening the shape of the island shown is clearly Shikinejima which is the closest island to Niijima. That's pretty much about it though. I don't think any background picture was shot in that particular island. There are only a few shots of Niijima.

kagato3 · 2009-07-01, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Marion

Technically there's no wrong way for the crest to be presented. As long as it looks like the one-winged eagle and it's visible.

Thats not how heraldry works. It's pointless to have a family crest/seal/signet that is not standarized and mirroring it is a rather large change.

Mikachiru · 2009-07-01, 23:39

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Originally Posted by Auria

Me too. But actually listen to dubs I will only if they are highly recommended, because listening to a few (english and german) dubs extremely ruined the anime for me afterwards, though they are some very good ones as well.

Actually, I like dubs even if they are bad (which usually isn't the case). I'm fine with reading subtitles, but it sounds better to someone like me who doesn't watch too many animes in japanese if it's in my native language...American. XD That and Keiichi=Axel the Dark hero is uber pwnage.

k//eternal · 2009-07-01, 23:54

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Originally Posted by kagato3

Thats not how heraldry works. It's pointless to have a family crest/seal/signet that is not standarized and mirroring it is a rather large change.

Apparently either Ryu07 doesn't know that or Kinzo doesn't care, though.

2009-06-30, 22:14	Link #21
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	I've heard that a lot, but I don't quite get it. I wonder if it's true or a myth. If Ryukishi planned since the beginning to name the witch after Dante's Beatrice, then there's no way this is true. Just go to the wiki, look for the divine comedy and switch to japanese. Ryukishi just made a copy and paste of the official transliteration of the name. Else you need to imagine he started from the idea to call her Beatrix from the common english name, and then after a few researches he found out the Italian version and that that name was an important character of the Divine Comedy. But that sounds unlikely to me. If that's true then the association with the Divine Comedy happened by a mere chance. Anyway does anyone know where this rumor come from? I've heard it was said in an interview, can someone link it? __________________

2009-06-30, 23:16	Link #22
Avisch Reality Blender Join Date: Feb 2007	This post is where I first saw it. So yeah nothing really confirmable, unless there's a written interview. I understand your points though. __________________ One crazy B****

2009-07-01, 09:54	Link #26
Kitsu The unlucky one Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hiding	Me, too! Since Germany didn't even dub Higurashi I don't think they will dub Umineko. mean it will be a pain in the a** to get the DVDs. Shipping from america or england isn't that expensive and it will have english subs so I want a dub __________________ Thanks for the Signature, Vandakiara

2009-07-01, 17:46	Link #30
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	It is actually written that way in english? __________________

2009-07-01, 19:21	Link #32
kagato3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Something that has been bugging me. I know that the one wing eagle crest is importent to the family but has it ever been explained why that some like Eva, Jess, and Battler have it faceing the wrong way? __________________ Higurashi: Its a bit like watching a trainwreck, except you keep getting to see different trains wrecking with roughly the same passengers, into a variety of different objects. Also, the trains are driven by monkeys. On LSD.

2009-07-01, 09:40	Link #23
lovelysan Umineko and Mabinogi fan~ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Age: 42	I've been trying to train myself to read Beatrice's name with the italian pronounciation as opposed to the English pronounciation. Simply because it seems the italian way was more Ryukishi's intention. However, It is... difficult. (If only for the mental barier XD .) On the off chance this series ever gets dubbed, my curiosity wonders which pronuncation they would use. Hmmm...

2009-07-01, 09:50	Link #24
Skullchukka Letter from lost days ~ Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Netherlands / Turkey Age: 35	Simple; no English dubbing would save everyone! I'm more leaning about the Italian version on that, by the way.

2009-07-01, 09:53	Link #25
lovelysan Umineko and Mabinogi fan~ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Age: 42	...But I like English dubbing ;_; ....

2009-07-01, 16:51	Link #28
chounokoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany Age: 39	Btw the pronounciation is also given in the Full Version of the Opening of the Visual Novel うみねこのなく頃に. It is pronounced Be-a-tri-che, but the Japanese version emulates that into be-a-to-ri-che, of course. Don't know why people still pronounce her in an English way, is it that hard to understand in the Opening or am I listening to much to such stuff? Ah well...maybe many people don't even know the full size version.

2009-07-01, 17:43	Link #29
lovelysan Umineko and Mabinogi fan~ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Age: 42	I didn't notice her name in the song until just the other day ^^;. You have to understand, "Beatrice" is such a common English name that our ears just aren't USED to hearing it any other way.

2009-07-01, 17:57	Link #31
lovelysan Umineko and Mabinogi fan~ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Age: 42	Yep. English. The language of spelling made to confuse~ (since a lot of words are loan words that we just ended up pronouncing in odd ways.... And then those ways become official.... ) EDIT= As a random side note, http://www.beatrice.ne.gov/ XD .

2009-07-01, 20:28	Link #37
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	I don't think you can say it's based on a particular island. Most of the pictures aren't even taken on an island at all. However in the Ep4 opening the shape of the island shown is clearly Shikinejima which is the closest island to Niijima. That's pretty much about it though. I don't think any background picture was shot in that particular island. There are only a few shots of Niijima. __________________