Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 06 Discussion / Poll

[Ratler]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

yea season 1's Fate torture was unbearable at first sight...can't believe she was doing all of that just because she couldn't collect all of the jewel seeds...stupid Precia...

Ya i must agree there I was going back and flipping through some of the episodes to re-familiarize myself with some of the story and the first thing I saw was Fate's torture. *shudder* It was no easier to watch a second time than the first if anything is was harder. Precia got off easy if you ask me. I think she deserved a lot worse for what she did to Fate.

[Estavali]

I don't condone her mis-treating Fate (both her actions and her personal reasons), but still I pity her.

Spoiler:

A divorcee, with her beloved only child killed in an accident that she may or may not be able to prevent. And when she thought she had succeeded in reviving her (or rather, re-creating her existence), the result mocks her in her face with all the differences and, worse of all (and imho the ultimate reason why Precia hates Fate so much), that golden magical aura that reminded her of the accident which cost her the most precious thing in her world (While Fate inherited all of Precia's magical capabilities, Alicia, ironically, didn't).

Add that to all the self-blaming and frustration and the knowledge that work on Project Fate has poisoned her beyond hope... and you are looking at a person who won't be thinking rationally, nor have time for any form of sympathy for anyone other than her "real" daughter.

[FlareKnight]

I can understand where the pity could be found there. She had a seriously tough life and anyone could feel bad for how things went for her. But when the whip starts flying at a girl who only wished to make her 'mother' happy then the pity hits the floor. Maybe I'm not a forgiving person, I could probably be better in that regard. But I can't let that go.

Spoiler:

She is the one who tried to actually revive her kid, and when it failed blamed the result. Clearly the woman is insane anyways so maybe some slack can come on that area. Anyone who is willing to put billions of lives on the line so they can revive their kid from the dead clearly isn't all there.

After Alicia died she had a choice. Most people would find it hard to accept that loss, and many could understand the desire to bring back that person. She just went too far and actually tried to bring back the dead, you kind've need to take into account that this probably isn't going to work out.

Maybe someone grieving like her couldn't give much sympathy to Fate, but there's a line between being sympathetic and hating the child with all your being.

So I can see where the sympathy comes from, I just don't have any for Precia. Plenty of people, even some characters have lost people they care about. But you don't see them breaking the laws of nature and then assaulting an innocent child. That woman just got off way too easy.

[Ratler]

I'm glad to see that someone else feel the same way i do about it.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

Elio was alright, but Fate surprised me though...i never would have thought she could do that though...well this is 10years after A's, so anything goes...

Didn't she already use Sonic Move in season 1 during her fights with Nanoha? I couldn't be surprised by her increased proficiency with it 10 years later.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

So I can see where the sympathy comes from, I just don't have any for Precia. Plenty of people, even some characters have lost people they care about. But you don't see them breaking the laws of nature and then assaulting an innocent child. That woman just got off way too easy.

Let's take an example: Chrono. He lost his father due to the Yami no Sho, and yet when admiral Graham reveals his plan to freeze the book along with Hayate, he objects to harming an innocent person caught up in the mess, despite his desire for the books destruction.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Didn't she already use Sonic Move in season 1 during her fights with Nanoha? I couldn't be surprised by her increased proficiency with it 10 years later.

It's an upgrade when she can attain that same speed without losing armor.

Let's take an example: Chrono. He lost his father due to the Yami no Sho, and yet when admiral Graham reveals his plan to freeze the book along with Hayate, he objects to harming an innocent person caught up in the mess, despite his desire for the books destruction.

Chrono was a different case. His father died when he was only three years old... Probably didn't even understand the meaning of it...

ELEVEN years down the road and with a respectable job, he had learnt to move on and not let it get to him because Chrono was still surrounded by people who cares for him, people who can teach him right from wrong...

Precia however...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

lets see, at the end, Fate turned out to be a living, breathing being...and for Precia to still take out her anger on Fate, back in season 1, was uncalled for.
She gave Fate all of Allicia's memories, thats why she wanted her mother to be happy.
I mean Precia could have just gave Fate fake memories and she would just be a soul less doll walking around collecting jewel seeds. But Precia thought that she needed Allicia's memories, so gave it all to her.
Sure she became all corrupt because of the freak accident, but its still no reason to torture an innocent child about past mistakes or just cause she didn't succeed in her missions.

other than that, I'm just surprised that Fate can move really fast in StrikerS!

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Chrono was a different case. His father died when he was only three years old... Probably didn't even understand the meaning of it...

ELEVEN years down the road and with a respectable job, he had learnt to move on and not let it get to him because Chrono was still surrounded by people who cares for him, people who can teach him right from wrong...

Interestingly, through the latter half of A's, I was wondering about Lindy's reaction to the whole Book of Darkness incident. I mean, she lost her husband, and her child lost his father, due to the Book of Darkness.

I'm wondering what was going through her mind when she fired the Arc-en-Ciel.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by dkellis

Interestingly, through the latter half of A's, I was wondering about Lindy's reaction to the whole Book of Darkness incident. I mean, she lost her husband, and her child lost his father, due to the Book of Darkness.

I'm wondering what was going through her mind when she fired the Arc-en-Ciel.

Probably something not family-friendly.

Heh.

[Loner]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

It's an upgrade when she can attain that same speed without losing armor.

You're mixing up Sonic MOVE (momentary increase in movement speed, the same as Nanoha's Flash Move) with Sonic FORM (a much lighter version of her Barrier Jacket to allow her to move faster under at all times).

And I agree that there was a sympathetic element to Precia, though it can be argued how much slack we should cut her for it. Dr. Spaghetti is probably the first completely unredeemable villain MSLN has come up with.

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Loner

And I agree that there was a sympathetic element to Precia, though it can be argued how much slack we should cut her for it. Dr. Spaghetti is probably the first completely unredeemable villain MSLN has come up with.

I will have to note: so far.

We don't know much of Scaglietti's true motives yet.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by dkellis

Interestingly, through the latter half of A's, I was wondering about Lindy's reaction to the whole Book of Darkness incident. I mean, she lost her husband, and her child lost his father, due to the Book of Darkness.

Of which, I've always wondered how they met...

Originally Posted by Skane

Probably something not family-friendly.

Heh.

"Ignoring the fact you cost me my husband, I've finally get to do something cool before I retire!"

Originally Posted by Loner

You're mixing up Sonic MOVE (momentary increase in movement speed, the same as Nanoha's Flash Move) with Sonic FORM (a much lighter version of her Barrier Jacket to allow her to move faster under at all times).

Hmmm, okay maybe not 'upgrade' ... How about I re-phrase it to, "Sonic Move is base off from Sonic Form where she doesn't lose armor but still gains speed though for a short period of time..."

And I agree that there was a sympathetic element to Precia, though it can be argued how much slack we should cut her for it. Dr. Spaghetti is probably the first completely unredeemable villain MSLN has come up with.

Not a chance , I'm almost certain they'll find some way to insert an emo dramatic past scene to explain his actions...

(Wanna bet it's because someone important to him died? )

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Originally Posted by dkellis

I will have to note: so far.

We don't know much of Scaglietti's true motives yet.

except that mr.spaghetti wants his products of Project F, to be returned to him...other than that, multi-dimensional domination or destruction??, or collect as much relics as he can to power up his research...other than that, most likely he wants to capture Elio and Fate.

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

except that mr.spaghetti wants his products of Project F, to be returned to him...other than that, multi-dimensional domination or destruction??, or collect as much relics as he can to power up his research...other than that, most likely he wants to capture Elio and Fate.

Well, we don't know why, or for what reason. We don't even know if he's truly evil, or simply amoral.

I'm just encouraging caution. After all, in A's, when did we finally learn (in the anime; manga and Sound Stages do not count) that the Book of Darkness was not a mindless force of hunger?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea that is true, we don't have enough proof showing that he truly is evil...
maybe after episode 8 or maybe during episode 8, we might get a little bit more insight on his motives and stuff...
shocking enough in A's that the knights were actually good guys, just mistreated in the past by previous owners of the book, including the book of darkness itself...

[Trax]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

except that mr.spaghetti wants

When I saw the episode, that's what I thought it said for a second when they were zooming in.

So, is this installment of Nanoha going down the same path of saving someone from the dark side who's not really that bad? That's the impression I got after seeing the duo at the end, which I assumed was a product of mr. spaghetti's experiments and he was talking about them. Getting a tad repetitive if it is, but then again it has worked for the previous seasons.

One thing that strikes me as slightly odd is how they're all so overly cheerful, as if they were still kids. They're supposed to be adult now, aren't they? I can't really tell from their general behaviour. Nothing wrong with being cheerful, but it seems a bit much. Guess they wanna keep the cutesy factor intact.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Trax

One thing that strikes me as slightly odd is how they're all so overly cheerful, as if they were still kids. They're supposed to be adult now, aren't they? I can't really tell from their general behaviour. Nothing wrong with being cheerful, but it seems a bit much. Guess they wanna keep the cutesy factor intact.

I'm 19 years old and I still act pretty much like a kid in certain situations, and why not? Just because you're an 'adult' doesn't mean that you should turn into a stiff-face all of a sudden.

[Estavali]

Haha, staying in good cheer despite how dark the situation is, perhaps? Good idea!

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Haha, staying in good cheer despite how dark the situation is, perhaps? Good idea!

Though technically there's nothing 'dark' about their situation now , so they're free to be happy

[mdauben]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

yea season 1's Fate torture was unbearable at first sight...can't believe she was doing all of that just because she couldn't collect all of the jewel seeds...stupid Precia...

Spoiler for Precia's Motives:

Well, of course Precia wasn't doing it just to collect the jewel seeds. That was just a means to an end. What she wanted was to be able to use the jewel seed to resurect her dead daughter (remember, Fate was just a copy or clone of the original Alicia Testarossa). I'm not saying that Precia wasn't a villian for what she did to Fate, but she did have what seemed to her as good reasons for what she did, it wasn't that she was just a sadist. She never really thought of Fate as anything more than a tool to get back her beloved daughter so she never felt any need for remorse over anything she did to her.