Haruhi Suzumiya - Spoilers & Speculation (for experienced Haruhi Fans only)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

Yuki bites Mikuru. Thrice.

Technically speaking, she did that after every instance of Mikuru gaining a new optical weapon. We simply only know of three. (and I'm pretty sure only one instance happens "on-screen")


That being said... Go, Vampire Yuki!

[Ithekro]

And they wonder why Mikuru is scared of Yuki.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

It isn't Nagato's fault that Mikuru is presumably delicious. Heck, even Haruhi's nibbled on her.

[dnab]

Leaning on the Speculation side of this thread:

It's possible that Mikuru was engineered to be delicious.

It's possible that Mikuru is scared of Yuki for more fundamental reasons than 1) having been bitten, 2) apparent object of Kyon's affections.

It's possible that we won't know for sure the validities of aforementioned assumptions until late Second school year (when Mikuru's about to "graduate"). Hence until the release of these stories....

It's possible that one's free to Speculate along these lines until 2012 end of time

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by dnab

It's possible that Mikuru was engineered to be delicious.

If I had an internet to give you for that, I so would.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by dnab

It's possible that Mikuru was engineered to be delicious.

I read something like this on the TVTropes WMG recently.

Spoiler:

Mikuru's superiors are the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

She has been conditioned to be unable to say a lot of things and is basically there to provide Fetish Fuel. The only other way her presence would make sense is if Ocelot enacted a series of Xanatos Roulettes that would only require her to be there and be Moe, and since Mikuru (big) exists, his plan is obviously working. Whatever the hell it is.

[Airman8]

Originally Posted by fish eric

Also a/b being similar to Snow Mountain Syndrome makes the most sense, but its too easy. I think it isn't like the Haruhi series to reuse something like that.

Apologies for going so far back in the timeline of this thread, but I thought I'd mention one of my observations about this:

I think there is a very good chance a/b is similar to SMS. The way Tanigawa has previously structured the series, we often see a short story that preludes a later full length book. The first instance would be Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, which relates heavily to book 4.

We later see the Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru, which provides the basis for book 7, both in terms of her character development, the foundations of time travel (the young boy) and the mysterious adversaries.

In a roundabout way we even got this in the anime, as the short story of The Adventures of Mikuru Ep 00 set the stage for the school festival arc (providing the basis for the characters' daily school lives) and for the entirety of book 2, airing now.

Later, we see SMS, which introduces the abilities of the Sky Canopy Domain -control of reality and interference with Nagato- and Koizumi's alternate reality "save game" theory.

I wouldn't say in any of the non-book 9 cases that the series "re-used" the material, but rather developed it to a greater extent within the story.

tl;dr

Tanigawa seems to throw out and foreshadow little tidbits of ideas first before expanding on them in detail later on

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Airman8

Apologies for going so far back in the timeline of this thread, but I thought I'd mention one of my observations about this:

I think there is a very good chance a/b is similar to SMS. The way Tanigawa has previously structured the series, we often see a short story that preludes a later full length book. The first instance would be Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, which relates heavily to book 4.

We later see the Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru, which provides the basis for book 7, both in terms of her character development, the foundations of time travel (the young boy) and the mysterious adversaries.

In a roundabout way we even got this in the anime, as the short story of The Adventures of Mikuru Ep 00 set the stage for the school festival arc (providing the basis for the characters' daily school lives) and for the entirety of book 2, airing now.

Later, we see SMS, which introduces the abilities of the Sky Canopy Domain -control of reality and interference with Nagato- and Koizumi's alternate reality "save game" theory.

I wouldn't say in any of the non-book 9 cases that the series "re-used" the material, but rather developed it to a greater extent within the story.

tl;dr

Tanigawa seems to throw out and foreshadow little tidbits of ideas first before expanding on them in detail later on

Sorry, but Itsuki's "save game" theory is the same as every other thing that comes out of his mouth other than blatant exposition: a load of overblown crap probably intended as much to confuse, frustrate, and annoy Kyon as it is to fulfill Itsuki's need to hear himself prattle on inanely (no wonder the bastard's always smiling...).

α and β are just what they seem to be, which are divergent timelines caused by the timely phone call of one freshman fan of the SOS-dan, aka Slider-tan. Tanigawa does everything but explicitly spell it out, which I'm sure he'll have either Exposition Mode™ Itsuki, Yuki, or Slider-tan do come Volume 10, should it ever come out...

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Sorry, but Itsuki's "save game" theory is the same as every other thing that comes out of his mouth other than blatant exposition: a load of overblown crap probably intended as much to confuse, frustrate, and annoy Kyon as it is to fulfill Itsuki's need to hear himself prattle on inanely (no wonder the bastard's always smiling...).

α and β are just what they seem to be, which are divergent timelines caused by the timely phone call of one freshman fan of the SOS-dan, aka Slider-tan. Tanigawa does everything but explicitly spell it out, which I'm sure he'll have either Exposition Mode™ Itsuki, Yuki, or Slider-tan do come Volume 10, should it ever come out...

I wouldn't put it that harshly, but it's nice to see somebody take Itsuki's statements and theories with a grain of salt for a change. Some people treat them like unquestionable truths about the Haruhi universe(s) and its characters, whereas I've always tended to take it as strictly Itsuki's opinions - sure, they could be right; but they could also be completely wrong (and sometimes, may even be proven to be wrong).

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Sometimes they aren't even his opinions... I'd like to believe he was actually being honest about not personally believing Haruhi is "God," but that there are people in the Agency who think she is. Given what she's been shown to be capable of, I'm sure someone would think she was some sort of deity.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Sometimes they aren't even his opinions... I'd like to believe he was actually being honest about not personally believing Haruhi is "God," but that there are people in the Agency who think she is. Given what she's been shown to be capable of, I'm sure someone would think she was some sort of deity.

Putting Ontological issues aside (since this isn't really the thread for it), you raise a good point in that some of the hypothesis' or theories' that Itsuki proposes aren't even his - they're from other people in the Agency. Since the Agency is internally divided on a lot of these ideas, we the fans should not take them as the absolute final word either.

[kniteowl]

Not sure where I should put this but here's as safe as any other...

I was wondering how the Haruhiverse would play out if Kyon was the Esper, remember originally the Author wanted to make Kyon the Esper of the SOS-Dan but later changed his mind and made him a normal human while creating the story.

So I was wondering, did the author have a lot of prepared material for the Story where Kyon was the Esper and decided to put it to use in the form of Sighs in the current novel series? Thinking "well I have all this material already, might as well not waste it"

And "the Adventures of Mikuru episode 00" may have been a sneak peek at how the Haruhi-verse may of played out if Kyon was an Esper.

I know there's a lot of holes in this idea, like where the hell is Haruhi in all this, since she's not apart of the movie's story?

Well Gods tend to control how everything is done right, similar to a director & script writer in this case.

Shouldn't Haruhi be super jealous having awesome Alien and a Moe Time traveler obviously romantically pursuing Esper Kyon? well that's assuming this alternate story played out the same way as the original where Haruhi has a romantic interest in Kyon.

Hm... maybe this idea to way too far-fetched?

well there's also the possibility that Sighs is Haruhi's foreshadow of the future, where Asahina really does have laser vision, Cats can talks, Nagato is an evil alien witch and whatever other references there were in the movie.

Wait... Nagato kinda did play the part of the Villian in disappearance (volume 4)... wait NOOOOOOOOOO it's coming true... we're all doomed I tell you... DOOMED!!!...:P lol.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So I was wondering, did the author have a lot of prepared material for the Story where Kyon was the Esper and decided to put it to use in the form of Sighs in the current novel series? Thinking "well I have all this material already, might as well not waste it"

If the author's words were to be believed, he didn't write the Melancholy arc with the intention of sequels; so everything after Melancholy is likely decided upon after he was told to make more. He wasn't a famous author at the time, he couldn't have expected to plan for a 9+ book series.

I like to think of each arc after Melancholy as the author's attempt to make SOS-dan into a team, so that they can fight true antagonists rather than each other. Yuki gets nerfed in Disappearance, Haruhi becomes more tolerable after Sigh, and Itsuki gave his assurance of loyalty in Snow mountain. Mikuru then drops the bomb shell that there are people who want to kill time travel's inventor, who they though was a little boy. And then finally we found out that Haruhi was the true inventor...

[Solachinx]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

If the author's words were to be believed, he didn't write the Melancholy arc with the intention of sequels; so everything after Melancholy is likely decided upon after he was told to make more. He wasn't a famous author at the time, he couldn't have expected to plan for a 9+ book series.

If this is true, it would make the explanation as to how Kyon got in that Closed Space (you know which one) a lot easier to figure out.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by Solachinx

If this is true, it would make the explanation as to how Kyon got in that Closed Space (you know which one) a lot easier to figure out.

But didn't he make Itsuki as the esper after he decided Kyon should be a normal human? Closed Space came only after that.

[KyonisGod]

I dont believe that Kyon is going to turn out a 'normal' human

many references to him being a Key are throughout the show
while there are many locks, there is usually only one key

[Tyabann]

Apparently he started writing the book with "Kyon being the esper" still in mind, but after he wrote the Prologue he realized what had happened and just went with it.

I'd think Koizumi was supposed to be the Slider, given what his powers can actually do...

Originally Posted by KyonisGod

I dont believe that Kyon is going to turn out a 'normal' human.

Tanigawa does not plan out this far ahead. He goes back to stuff he's already written and looks for interesting plot threads.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by KyonisGod

I dont believe that Kyon is going to turn out a 'normal' human

many references to him being a Key are throughout the show
while there are many locks, there is usually only one key

I always presumed that the "Key" references were simply to Kyon being the key to resolving the issues with Haruhi. That doesn't necessarily require Kyon to be anything other than a 'normal' human.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I always presumed that the "Key" references were simply to Kyon being the key to resolving the issues with Haruhi. That doesn't necessarily require Kyon to be anything other than a 'normal' human.

He's like Krillin, but without the ridiculous Ki powers... he's the most powerful ordinary human alive, given what he has control over.

[KyonisGod]

All i'm saying is that he is the epicenter or ground zero of everything that is happening

he could be a god in the same way a writer is a god to the people in their books