Fate/stay night Game discussion (Warning: Spoilers)

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Thess

Archer... has about the same relevance in HF than in Fate route.

Technically, he is the main character. So he is sort of always relevant

Originally Posted by Thess

which isn't on merit on Saber, alone. If you notice, their merch isn't Saber centric as T-M merch can be

Takashi still tried ... we ended up with 3 different alternate outfits from Zero, and her showing up on both box sets ...

Originally Posted by Thess

They are also pals with Gen Urobuchi. Who is Gen's darling again? Dark Sakura.

Going by some of the ideas Urobuchi had in store for her, I think him being as far away from HF and just doing his own thing might be for the best IMO

Originally Posted by Thess

I can argue it was, in the fate/zero novel, where her eyes flash golden. Her conclusion in HF, is pretty in tone with what happened to certain chivalry pal of hers.

Her becoming Alter is a different situation than the one with Berserker, and I think that was just her being really, really angry + her desire for the Grail being too strong, not blackened like she was in HF.

[Xellos-_^]

it is a direct port or will the game be modify to include stuff form FZ?

[GDB]

As far as it's been advertised, it's a direct port with cropped CGs and new OPs.

[mAc Chaos]

> CGs
> cropped

wtf

why

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by GDB

As far as it's been advertised, it's a direct port with cropped CGs and new OPs.

TM is being lazy here.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by mAc Chaos

> CGs
> cropped

wtf

why

Vita is widescreen. CGs are currently fullscreen. And then there's this...

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

TM is being lazy here.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Technically, he is the main character. So he is sort of always relevant

Which is enough to draw in his fanbase. Rin's and Archer's fanbase are usually one and the same. Their major popularity is about their relationship and interaction. Not to mention Rin and Sakura had the same amount of votes when ufotable polled them (Saber, first place, Irisviel, second, Rin-Sakura, third). We're speaking specifically about ufotable and what they would consider profitable.

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Takashi still tried ... we ended up with 3 different alternate outfits from Zero, and her showing up on both box sets ...

Draw by Takeuchi who would turn everyone in T-M Saber. The ufotable exclusive merch, on the other hand, is more varied. Look up the products of the ufotable cafe and what they sell, instead. While Saber is there a lot, so are the male characters... and sometimes Irisviel.

You also forget they have their polls (not just in nicovideo, but the street polls). They don't rely on Type-Moon sources for everything.

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Going by some of the ideas Urobuchi had in store for her, I think him being as far away from HF and just doing his own thing might be for the best IMO

That's true, but I wouldn't mind his intervention, even if he makes Femme Fatale the ending.

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Her becoming Alter is a different situation than the one with Berserker, and I think that was just her being really, really angry + her desire for the Grail being too strong, not blackened like she was in HF.

I was talking about Diarmuid.

That was vague. The thing is that there is plenty foreshadowing in Zero (with its anti chivalry vibe) for her end to be completely tragic in conclusion and give an use for that dagger. I think her golden eyes are also a result of her anger blackened (she's suppressing her wrath).

Also it would mean pimping another Saber design even more. A winner.

The only drawback is the lack of Alexander (who is the remaining top 5 fate character who isn't involved). Unless they make up a BS Anime only excuse with Dark Sakura pulling out old war Servants of the Greater Grail or El Melloi II shows up and has a flashback...

However, I think that the best would have someone competent do their own script, not DEEN level, but more cohesive to draw the best of the routes with Nasu supervision (maybe Gen?). Because honestly speaking, Fate is incomplete just like the other too, when looking back to Zero. They work for VN, but it's difficult to adapt them on screen, that's why the anime or the movie are so so.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Thess

or El Melloi II shows up and has a flashback...

They could theoretically expand on the post-Cavern, pre-Two years later time area and fit him in that way. Doesn't help with Rider, but it'd still be nice.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by GDB

They could theoretically expand on the post-Cavern, pre-Two years later time area and fit him in that way. Doesn't help with Rider, but it'd still be nice.

Or include a bonus short OVA in the Boxset with El Melloi II's reunion with Rider titled "Last Episode. Oceanus." NO need to shoehorn him in the plot. This would make any Zero fan buy the thing. If they add extended Gilgamesh and Kirei talk (which they love to do and they have their chats in HF), another incentive.

T-M is trying to milk this with including F/Z hanafuda in their new Vita Port.

[GDB]

It wouldn't really be shoe-horning him in. Canonically, he and Rin would likely meet during that time period. All it'd be doing is showing stuff that wasn't there in the VN.

[Thess]

Yes, I suppose. But it'll be really derailing to make him randomly flashback. They could show recalling Rider while talking to Rin.

Then Bonus cd drama or short clip available on Boxset.

Throw in a couple more of couch-wine talks with Kirei and Gilgamesh (and sacrificing the cooking), a Kariya flashback with Sakura and you have Fate/Zero fanbase buying this.

Hell, have Alter in a bike.

[GDB]

I can't think of any situation where Alter on a bike makes any level of sense.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by GDB

I can't think of any situation where Alter on a bike makes any level of sense.

She can fight against Berserker, on a bike.

[Archer]

Originally Posted by Thess

She can fight against Berserker, on a bike.

But she needs the Riding skill to do that.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Archer

But she needs the Riding skill to do that.

OH damn. I forgot about that.

[Nigale86]

according to the official fate/zero anime website the Vita OP for the Fate Route will be bundled with the 2nd Blu-ray boxset to be released on September 19th

well according to google translate anyway so I might be wrong

[Arabesque]

They can make up all sorts of BS explanations though, it's not like they haven't already made one before *looks at Hercules defeat in Fate*

Spoiler for transcript:

Nasu: ''Oh yeah, even though Saber had lost her Riding skills when she was blackened, she can pretty much ride a motorbike still, due to the connection to the Grail, which is an omnipotent wish granting machine that is also related to the Third Magic, so Saber is able to gain a miracle of Riding without any Riding skills''

Takashi: ''And on that happy note, let me show you some of the upcoming figurines we have for Saber to commemorate the return of her Riding Skills''

Nasu: ''Well, they are still lost due to the blac--''

Takashi: ''Let's see here, there is the upcoming release of Motorbike Saber Alter, of course, and the re-release of Motorbike Saber Zero, Special release of Motorbike Saber Fate/Stay Night, Release of Motorbike Saber Lily, Motorbike Saber Extra and of course our lovely busty maiden of the France, the virgin Saint on the savage ride, Motorbike Saber Jeanne''

Nasu: ''I think some would complain on that last one ...''

£10 a variation of this happens in the future ... again.

Originally Posted by Thess

That's true, but I wouldn't mind his intervention, even if he makes Femme Fatale the ending.

I would! If they put him in charge, we will end up with some sort of weird combo of Sparks Liner High and Normal End

Originally Posted by Thess

I was talking about Diarmuid.

Ah, okay. Saber has a lot of chivalry pals for some strange reason, so I didn't know which one you were talking about.

Originally Posted by Thess

That was vague. The thing is that there is plenty foreshadowing in Zero (with its anti chivalry vibe) for her end to be completely tragic in conclusion and give an use for that dagger. I think her golden eyes are also a result of her anger blackened (she's suppressing her wrath).

Not really. I mean the best use for the dagger for me had always been in Fate when Kotomine got it back after all these years The sense of cosmic irony was just so delicious (also doubles as my favorite Kotomine death in the entire game)

As for the blackening bit, I honestly still think that was more of her rage and nothing more. I mean we had already seen not only in Fate, but all across the Nasuverse how when great spiritual beings are angered it is treated like the scariest thing you will come across in your life (Arc, Diarmuid, Gil etc.) and Saber being a HS and also part dragon seems like someone who when angered will have some pretty scary wrath to put on display. And like you pointed out, Zero hadn't exactly made her life any happier what with her having to deal with a master who treats her worse than a tool and won't even look at her let alone talk, having seen the shameful death of Diarmuid (and having her knightly honor stained due to it), killing Lancelot and then in the end having to deal with Gil making remarks when she is about to claim the Grail? Yeah I'd think she would be pretty pissed at that point, blackening or none.

Originally Posted by Thess

Because honestly speaking, Fate is incomplete just like the other too, when looking back to Zero. They work for VN, but it's difficult to adapt them on screen, that's why the anime or the movie are so so.

And that's pretty much what I'm saying, that as a whole the entirety of Fate/Stay Night ties into Zero nicely with all of the plot lines being answered and addressed in a satisfactory manner. Individually though, not so much, which is why in order to make a HF anime work better, they need to do some pretty extensive re-writes ...

Originally Posted by Thess

Also it would mean pimping another Saber design even more. A winner.

For Takashi, you mean

[sagdashin]

Wouldn't every problem adressed for a new F/SN adaptation by Ufotable be solved simply by changing the narrative from 1st to 3rd person, like how Zero was written/told? Then everyone gets much screen time and inner thoughts for us to hear, not just from Emiya (1st person) as in the game/anime.

[mAc Chaos]

Maybe but what I liked a lot about FSN was seeing it all unfold from Shirou's perspective, you had a lot more mystery and suspense slowly figuring out what was going on.

[Haak]

Actually I recall there being a lot of interludes from other people's perspective in HF that made the story a lot more balanced. And some of the best moments were from those interludes too (Ilya's background in UBW). What I'd love is both Rin and Emiya being main characters in an HF adaptation. I've always thought Rin was just as deserving as Emiya for that title.

And I also think a lot of people would be able to take Saber's death in HF much better if she was given a perspective similar to the one she was given after Emiya faced her one on one in that Bad ending.