AnimeSuki Forums

GundamFan · 2014-01-24, 23:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ickarium

Note that they had to stop to go through the dungeon. That slowed them down. Being able to just fly over most obstacles outside dragon hatcheries on mountains probably helps a lot more than might be apparent, depending on terrain.

True that could very easily add some time still I'd probably be a day at most. The other thing to consider is traveling by Griffin and yes I realize the Griffin Whistle is reward item received for a high raid but on the other hand Akiba has over 15,000 residents plenty of whom are high level players so they could probably mobilize a fairly effective force that way if they really wanted to.

Keroko · 2014-01-25, 07:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by GundamFan

True that could very easily add some time still I'd probably be a day at most. The other thing to consider is traveling by Griffin and yes I realize the Griffin Whistle is reward item received for a high raid but on the other hand Akiba has over 15,000 residents plenty of whom are high level players so they could probably mobilize a fairly effective force that way if they really wanted to.

High level players does not mean a great portion will have those whistles. To compare, back in ye olde WoW days, only about 10% of the players ever so much as set foot in the high-end raids.

GundamFan · 2014-01-25, 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keroko

High level players does not mean a great portion will have those whistles. To compare, back in ye olde WoW days, only about 10% of the players ever so much as set foot in the high-end raids.

Well my figure is a little high since I figured they'd need about 1.5% of the population to have it since they wouldn't be fighting a full war just helping the kids turn back that detachment.

DQueenie13 · 2014-01-25, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by GundamFan

Well my figure is a little high since I figured they'd need about 1.5% of the population to have it since they wouldn't be fighting a full war just helping the kids turn back that detachment.

I think the novels state that only around 200 players on the Yamato server have it.

Xellos-_^ · 2014-01-25, 12:35

i think that is 200 that got transported.

added that the quest for the griffon whistles was also a limited time only quest.

Ickarium · 2014-01-26, 00:21

Note also that it is a really hard raid, and for a lot of the raids, take that 10% and make it 1-1.5% that actually managed to do anything inside it. Sunwell for instance.

It's kind of why they started simplifying and adding difficulty levels. Raids pretty much /were/ what they worked on except for expansions, and 99% of the playerbase was paying for 1% of the game's fun. It really was kind of silly when you think about it. Hard stuff is good, but it was either make raids less punishing or think of something for non-raiders to do and basically reduce raids to maybe one per expansion.

Keroko · 2014-01-26, 05:57

However, as the current events in MMO's show, simplifying raids also has an adverse effect on them. With players being able to finish content quickly and easily, even in pickup groups, hardcore players have all their gear in a matter of weeks. Casuals only little later. Both groups then get bored, and many start dropping subscriptions while they await the new patch or expansion.

It also destroyed community tightness, with large guilds splitting up into smaller guilds and casual players doing LFR barely communicating with eachother at all.

It's an interesting thing to see, really. Keeping raids for the people who really, really wanted it and were willing to commit the time and effort to do so kept more people playing than when it became accessible for everyone. As long as the carrot was there, people, even casuals like me who barely -if ever- set foot in a raid instance, kept playing.

GundamFan · 2014-01-26, 09:34

So is this sort of limited run on certain items common in MMOs? It's a definite pattern in the show you have the time limited raid for Griffin whistles, the one time give away for the gender switching potion and then you have the Phantasmal-class items 500ish unique uber items per expansion pack. I'm curious I never got into the MMOs.

Marcus H. · 2014-01-26, 10:01

^ No, not really. Most recent MMOs make sure that everyone gets a chance to get the juicy stuff.
Most event rewards just have cosmetic functions or only have a useful effect during the event period.

Ickarium · 2014-01-26, 11:12

I'd actually argue that issue, but this isn't the place for it, Keroko.

And yeah, it's more that very few people can do the raid in the first place, Gundam. Log Horizon is -really- old school in design, though, with the Phantasmal class items and so on.

Forever · 2014-01-26, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsunade666

that's for low to mid level. high level can't get experience from them anymore.

if I remember it right level 90 need to fight and slay monster at least level 85 to even earn experience.

At least they will be pretty rich from it.... 15K worth of goblin loot...

FRS · 2014-01-27, 04:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever

At least they will be pretty rich from it.... 15K worth of goblin loot...

If grey kill still drop loot

View Poll Results: Log Horizon - Episode 16 Rating
Perfect 10	3	7.32%
9 out of 10 : Excellent	12	29.27%
8 out of 10 : Very Good	22	53.66%
7 out of 10 : Good	4	9.76%
6 out of 10 : Average	0	0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average	0	0%
4 out of 10 : Poor	0	0%
3 out of 10 : Bad	0	0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad	0	0%
1 out of 10 : Painful	0	0%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

2014-01-25, 12:35	Link #85
Xellos-_^ Not Enough Sleep Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 48	i think that is 200 that got transported. added that the quest for the griffon whistles was also a limited time only quest. __________________

2014-01-26, 00:21	Link #86
Ickarium Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	Note also that it is a really hard raid, and for a lot of the raids, take that 10% and make it 1-1.5% that actually managed to do anything inside it. Sunwell for instance. It's kind of why they started simplifying and adding difficulty levels. Raids pretty much /were/ what they worked on except for expansions, and 99% of the playerbase was paying for 1% of the game's fun. It really was kind of silly when you think about it. Hard stuff is good, but it was either make raids less punishing or think of something for non-raiders to do and basically reduce raids to maybe one per expansion. __________________

2014-01-26, 10:01	Link #89
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	^ No, not really. Most recent MMOs make sure that everyone gets a chance to get the juicy stuff. Most event rewards just have cosmetic functions or only have a useful effect during the event period. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2014-01-26, 11:12	Link #90
Ickarium Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013	I'd actually argue that issue, but this isn't the place for it, Keroko. And yeah, it's more that very few people can do the raid in the first place, Gundam. Log Horizon is -really- old school in design, though, with the Phantasmal class items and so on. __________________

2014-01-26, 05:57	Link #87
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	However, as the current events in MMO's show, simplifying raids also has an adverse effect on them. With players being able to finish content quickly and easily, even in pickup groups, hardcore players have all their gear in a matter of weeks. Casuals only little later. Both groups then get bored, and many start dropping subscriptions while they await the new patch or expansion. It also destroyed community tightness, with large guilds splitting up into smaller guilds and casual players doing LFR barely communicating with eachother at all. It's an interesting thing to see, really. Keeping raids for the people who really, really wanted it and were willing to commit the time and effort to do so kept more people playing than when it became accessible for everyone. As long as the carrot was there, people, even casuals like me who barely -if ever- set foot in a raid instance, kept playing.

2014-01-26, 09:34	Link #88
GundamFan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	So is this sort of limited run on certain items common in MMOs? It's a definite pattern in the show you have the time limited raid for Griffin whistles, the one time give away for the gender switching potion and then you have the Phantasmal-class items 500ish unique uber items per expansion pack. I'm curious I never got into the MMOs.