Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann - Spoilers & Speculation

[CSakuraS]

If there is a spin-off, I hope it's about completely new characters with maybe only Viral getting a cameo (because he's immortal and it would be great to see him again). Simon's story is over, and personally I'm satisfied with how it ended. He's not the type of guy who'd want to become immortal himself, even if he may be capable of it.

And besides, there are tons of other Spiral races out there and the Spiral Nemesis left to take care of. That makes for a lot of possibilities for new characters and storylines.

[terrus]

watching the epilouge again i just realised that the narrator for the whole series was forty year old simon, they have the same voice! the seiyuu list on ANN confirms it as well

[juskaz]

Since we're throwing theories around, I'd say the epilouge was the anti-spirals.

[Zekori]

The end time skip was kind of a downer, but even the whole fight agianist the anti-spiral and tengen toppa in conjunction with the end felt like a setting for a continuation. Guessing if they ever want to expand the GL series, they left it open for that reason.

All in all, if we do see a continuation. I wouldn't mind seeing it in the perspective of a spiral becoming the Spiral Nemesis through plentiful, events and eventually becoming the protagonist-Antagonist sorta role.

Oh well, The End for now

[Malintex_Terek]

I've got a theory.

The prologue is Gainax's take on Arcadia of my Youth, since it's a big homage to Endless Orbit SSX. Say, Simon is living out his last days on Earth, when the Great Dimensional Government appears and enslaves the planet. Maybe they're denying the existance of the Spiral Nemesis or something, whatever the case, they have become all-powerful and are conquering the rest of the spiral worlds by force.

Simon isn't aware of this for a while because of his wanderings, but he eventually fights the agents of the Great Dimensional Government (they don't know who he is) and lands up with some scientist, possibly one of Reite + Makken's kids. The scientist has rebuilt what survived of the Daiganzan as a new spiral spaceship (not unlike Yamato!) based on the Gulapal technology (and equipped with a new type of Lagann) that he/she wants to use to use the ship to oppose the Great Dimensional Government. There is a skirmish and Simon is mortally wounded, but recovers via spiral power and he turns young while Boota becomes a human (Lord Genome mentioned Boota's evolution wouldn't normally take just seven years, but by at least twenty something should be happening). The scientist might die, but he/she entrusts the universe's fate to Simon. Oh, Simon also has spiral eyes at this time, which is why we didn't see those eyes in the prologue.

Simon escapes the planet and battles the Great Dimensional Government. Viral is a POW and his old ship, the Chou Ginga Dai Gurren, along with the original Gurren-Lagann, become his enemies at some point (not unlike the Deathshadow plot-line in Endless Orbit SSX) meaning Simon's new ship has to fight Chou Ginga Gurren-Lagann and possibly Ark and normal Gurren-Lagann.

At this point I don't know what to write since I haven't seen beyond that in Harlock SSX, but you guys get the picture.

[7Th]

Make Gimmy the villain. He's just made for that role.

[Shinndou]

I can't recall where I saw it (it might have been a scan from a magazine), it was quite some time ago, but a picture of the "captain" in the first scene of episode one, seemed to have his eyes covered by bandages. Now, since they're showing Simon in the epilogue with one "spiral" eye, could just that simply imply that:

- using too mich spiral power could apparently make your eyes become like that and furtherly make you blind
- the guy in that scene is the old Simon who's somehow managed to become young again (through spiral power, probably?)

This is just a wild speculation, based on the "all the stars are allies/enemies" lines and on Simon's spiral eye in the prologue. If this thoery would prove to be somehow true, then I guess Gainax does have in mind a sequel (although I still think it's not that necessary), most likely in the form of an OVA (I don't see them working on an other long TV serie anytime soon).

[jaziek]

Sequel / Ova plot - my idea:

An old man sits in a room, resting peacefully. The core drill around his neck.
A young child (about 8) bounds into the room . "Hey Grandpa Gimmy!" Hugs...
"come here little one, i have something i want to show you." pulls out the core drill. "you see this? this once belonged to a great man, a man to whom you owe your life. I'm passing it onto you, just as you he passed it onto me. I hope it gives you the power to achieve great things".
"wow......" Examines drill

FLASH! .. 15 year old version of little kid, fighting in some from of grapal. Getting the shit kicked out of him by some evil force. (could be some spirals from another planet). As a heavy blow is dealt to his grapal, he is thrown out of the cockpit and lands in a sheltered enclave. As he stares terrified at the enemy searching for him, the core drill starts to glow....

I think this way it would be awesome for fans, but also work as a standalone, with obvious cameos from viral, maybe the odd inspirational, psychological, deciding the fate of battle motivation from kamina and simon, standing side by side looking GARriffic.

[7Th]

In their diplomatic mission, the Earth Confederacy Squadron is ambushed by an extremist Spiral Faction. The peace treaty is broken and Earth's army decimated. Gimmy and Darry, the current pilots of Gurren-Lagann try their best to avoid the conflict... however by saving an Spiral Colony hidden in the stars Darry's life is cut by the shot of an enemy sniper. Traumatized, Gimmy swears to reverse the process of life and succed where Simon failed. The consequences, however, shall take him to an unexpected path of solitud and doom.

Years later, the Universe is ruled by the Iron Hand of this Dark Spiral Warrior. Cue GL 2.

[durack]

I'd say anything but the Good Rebels vs the Evil Empire plot, I've had enough of that junk from George Lucas.

[musashiken]

To further my rant of Gainax, I shall do a little Gainax Female Lead Body Count.
Nothing to do with Gurren Lagann, well maybe a little, but just mostly a Gainax bashing post.

Spoiler for endings of Gainax works:

The stuff below may or may not be very accurate.

Secret of Blue Water Nadia: Nadia=alive.
- Actually, I haven't watched it. But I heard that she lived (she's the main character duh) but not before almost succeeding in killing her love. Old anime = happy end.

Evangelion: Ayanami Rei=dead multiple times.
- Ayanami died and lived, died and lived, and finally she became a giant bloated doll... and died.

Karekano: Yukino=alive.
- Well they didn't kill off the girl (it's based on a manga after all) but they did kill off the plot.

Mahoromatic: Mahoro=dead?
- She died in one huge explosion. Later reappeared? Still based on a manga.

Puchi Puri Yucie: Yucie=alive
- She's the main character duh. And it's based on a pedo game. Still her 4 best friends had to die for her to live. But being a kiddy and girly show, everyone got resurrected again.

Konomini: Hikari=floating forever in space
- I can't really remember. But Hikari and Akari both left earth leaving their boyfriends to mourn their loneliness.

Gunbuster: Noriko=alive
- Old anime = won't die. But still floating in space while a gazillion of years fly by her.

Diebuster: Nono=dead
- New anime = must die. She died in a huge orgasmic space battle. And she's the main character to boot.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann: Nia=winked out of existence.
- Need I say more?

VERDICT: Gainax must kill off a female lead or at least make her very very miserable.

[Dave1988]

You forgot about Asuka from NGE.

Spoiler for lol GAINAX:

First mindrape, than coma (+ Shinji jerking off to her for the added effect), then eaten alive only to be later ressurected to get strangled by Shinji. Happy times.

[musashiken]

Yeah, Asuka as well.

In The Wings of Honneamise, the main female also had a distasteful experience ->

Spoiler:

Riqunni was nearly raped by the main character

In Abenobashi ->

Spoiler:

Arumi made a split second emo Shinji face when she realized her grandpa was really dead

In Ebichu ->

Spoiler:

Ebichu's master is a distraught woman who relies on sexual relief from her oh-so-very-bum boyfriend who keeps living off her money and constantly cheating on her

In Melody of Oblivion ->

Spoiler:

Sayoko just had to sacrifice herself to save Bocca. Although she didn't die but the arrow sticking into her was close to doing so. Not sure what happens in the manga though.

Well these are just very mild examples but it just shows Gainax likes to screw around with female characters.

[7Th]

Mahoro remained dead; her reappearance was pretty much the delusion of a dying man… Gainax completely altered the manga ending and created depression among the fanatics.

And in MoO pretty much the whole female cast died, though. That, and for some reason I'm uncertain of the fact that Sayoko really survived...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by musashiken

Yeah, Asuka as well.

In The Wings of Honneamise, the main female also had a distasteful experience ->

Spoiler:

Riqunni was nearly raped by the main character

In Abenobashi ->

Spoiler:

Arumi made a split second emo Shinji face when she realized her grandpa was really dead

In Ebichu ->

Spoiler:

Ebichu's master is a distraught woman who relies on sexual relief from her oh-so-very-bum boyfriend who keeps living off her money and constantly cheating on her

In Melody of Oblivion ->

Spoiler:

Sayoko just had to sacrifice herself to save Bocca. Although she didn't die but the arrow sticking into her was close to doing so. Not sure what happens in the manga though.

Well these are just very mild examples but it just shows Gainax likes to screw around with female characters.

Ah, but the issue with your theory, is you are assuming Gainax is exclusively abusing female characters.

Can you say, with a straight face, that Gainax does not like to screw around with male characters?

[musashiken]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Ah, but the issue with your theory, is you are assuming Gainax is exclusively abusing female characters.

Can you say, with a straight face, that Gainax does not like to screw around with male characters?

The problem is, Gainax screwed the male characters by screwing around with the female characters. Can you tell me that there is not one screwed Gainax male that has nothing to do with the girl he likes? Gainax is probably one of the few studios that center most of it's genre around a guy and a girl and consistently doing something nasty to the girl to screw the guy.

Sure almost all animes in Japan involve a guy and a girl, but Gainax is consistent in it's way of handling such.

[quina]

sigh, whats the point of complaining now; Gainax killing characters is not new... at least they give us a proper ending this time, not some congratulation..

I don't like the ending that much too, but heck its a great series up until the point where they defeat the anti-spiral, give them that much credit.

[musashiken]

I'm not complaining. I've already said my share on Nia's loss. Now I'm ranting on Gainax. Once in a while, u need people like me to sprout rubbish in some thread. Next, I'm gonna wait till Rebuild of Eva is over and witness how they kill off all the girls this time in their supposed "new ending".

[Dave1988]

Originally Posted by musashiken

I'm not complaining. I've already said my share on Nia's loss. Now I'm ranting on Gainax. Once in a while, u need people like me to sprout rubbish in some thread. Next, I'm gonna wait till Rebuild of Eva is over and witness how they kill off all the girls this time in their supposed "new ending".

The "new" ending will be an even bigger mindfuck than CONGRATULATIONS! Youjust watch

[jaziek]

Originally Posted by Dave1988

The "new" ending will be an even bigger mindfuck than CONGRATULATIONS! Youjust watch

That. Is. Not. Possible.