2012-02-05, 22:08 | Link #27741 | |
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Unless, if you just never learned anything... But, Yasuda had an education, at least. |
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2012-02-05, 22:26 | Link #27742 |
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If her injury forced Nanjo to make her a eunuch, and then she was raised as a girl, it's entirely reasonable for her to grow up thinking her body is normal for a girl. After all, she never had to share a room with anyone, and she didn't have any real romantic experience.
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2012-02-05, 22:39 | Link #27744 | |
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It's not provable or anything, but it's the best conclusion out there that ties everything together. And there isn't a hint anywhere to suggest otherwise. |
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2012-02-06, 01:02 | Link #27745 | |
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I was just re-reading some old mystery novel, and it made me wonder some things. But before I keep on pondering about some matters, I'd like to confirm some things since I've uninstalled the first 4 episodes and I have no way to re-read them (nor do I feel like reinstalling it just for this).
What do you think are the chances for poisoning to have taken place in Rokkenjima - probably with Arsenic involved? Also, what are the chances that drugs were used in the island - anything like scopolamine, cocaine, marijuana and the ilk? If you'd say there's a positive answer for any of those questions, what evidence would you say there is to support it? Quote:
She probably grew up without ever knowing about this, and she only got to learn about it in the scene we saw in EP7. The reason why she reacted the way she did - other than the shock she must have been through - is probably based on the way people thought back then in Japan. Given that she could not bear children, she probably thought she couldn't fulfil her purpose as a woman and thus she was unable to be loved. This is probably why she referred to herself as furniture, as she could only be a tool for pleasure, but not for love, since she couldn't bear children. In addition to that, the fact she couldn't serve her purpose as a woman probably made her think of herself as being less than human. The reason why she created Kanon was, probably, because she thought that since she wasn't a proper woman she could as well be a male, but notice Kanon was always aloof, probably because he couldn't play his role either. Furthermore, Kanon's existence was always presented as something rather ephemeral. As for Lion, I think she's very meta. Lion, as I see it, is a representation of much of the information of the cat box Beatrice represents, placed in a what-if scenario. Notice she looks like an older Jessica, wears some sort of red suit like Krauss yet part of the design matches Natsuhi's dress. In addition to that, she's Kinzo's appointed heir to the family headship. The reason why Lion's sex is a mystery is there to exist as a parallel to Yasu's mind in regards to her own sexuality.
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2012-02-06, 01:22 | Link #27747 |
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She thinks she's friends with Beatrice and that Kinzo ever cared about her.
Fuck Natsuhi. Anyhow, Natsuhi never seemed to be particularly close to the baby. So, given that Kinzo gave it to her to be raised as the future heir of the family, I'd say there's a probability she assumed the baby was male. Notice, though, Natsuhi did have a huge complex for being unable to bear children. I think someone posted a screencap about that from some earlier episodes, not so long ago.
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2012-02-06, 04:26 | Link #27749 | |
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Anyhow, I'll be uploading some excerpts from a book later on. I wish to know what you guys make out of that info, though I'm sure some of you have read that book already. The book is old enough and it is out of print; so, I guess there will be no problems with me sharing those few pages. Anyhow, if anyone could answer my previous questions, that'd be much appreciated.
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2012-02-06, 06:33 | Link #27750 |
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Guys anyone looking at George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, or Genji's corpses could confirm at a glance that they are dead , UNLESS they want to lie right???? .... What does this line mean??? why is EP5 filled with so much BULL***..
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2012-02-06, 08:01 | Link #27751 |
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What's important is that Yasu or whoever made that phone call thought Natsuhi would think the baby had been male. They wouldn't have any way of knowing if Natsuhi had ever been in the room for a diaper change or anything like that, and Natsuhi probably would've been a lot less shaken if she got a call from "the man from 19 years ago", but remembered that the baby was a girl (though I think she would have been shaken by the incident being brought up regardless).
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2012-02-06, 08:21 | Link #27752 | ||
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Looking at their CORPSES anyone would confirm they were dead. But looking at the actual PERSON (reffering to the alive George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa and Genji) they may or may not mistake them for being dead. So, what if they didn't get to see the actual corpses rather than the respective people playacting? Spoiler for Just me fooling around:
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2012-02-06, 11:44 | Link #27753 | |
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Even Genji could have known Natsuhi and the child...come on, he could not be sure that Natsuhi NEVER did see his/her genital (Devil Proof and so). Why couldn't he go for the safe option and just say that there're "someone" on the phone, instead of some "young man"? |
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2012-02-06, 12:43 | Link #27754 | |
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Probably due to some people's unwillingess to spent a minute or two to think.
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As for the Devil's Proof concerning Genji's certainty that Natsuhi hadn't seen the baby's genital, it's possible to know whether Natsuhi didn't even hold it once in the three days she kept it.
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2012-02-06, 13:00 | Link #27755 | |
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...Sorry if i mistook you incorrectly. If that's the case please accept my apology. PS. Sorry if i made a spelling error. Eng not my native |
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2012-02-06, 13:01 | Link #27756 | |
Dribble.....SHOOTOH!
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2012-02-06, 13:43 | Link #27757 | ||
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In order to know anything accurate about Battler's personality, the message bottle writer must write the stories post-incident, and even then she has only a day or two to go on, at best. Pre-incident, she cannot know anything about Battler at all. Period. If she doesn't know what Battler is like after six years, she will probably write him like the person she remembered him to be as a child. That might somewhat explain the less nuanced parts of Piece-Battler's personality, as he's mentally twelve years old. It's kind of like how BATTLER patronizes Ange because to him she's a six-year-old and he doesn't know the Ange of 12 years after that point. However, this may not be even remotely accurate to Battler's personality. Fact is, Battler-Prime is a complete unknown. He might not even look like he was said to. We don't know. Tohya doesn't know. Nobody knows. That's sort of the core of some people's "Battler Culprit" ideas. Since we have no idea who he really was, Battler-Prime could be the killer that Meta-Battler was unable to find among the pieces (because the Battler there was not the same person). Of course, he could also have been a saint. Since we don't know anything about him, it's hard to judge. Well, a counterpoint to this: If Yasu were secretly in contact with Battler more often than we know, she could know him accurately. But we have no evidence of this ever actually being the case. Quote:
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2012-02-06, 13:43 | Link #27758 | ||
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Since the Cat Box concerning Yasu's gender hasn't been opened, Lambda, the Game Master can show either of the two truths (male or female) and it will be true either way until the Cat Box is offered. So, the 'young man' part can be added by the Game Master as a theme for the particular episode to confuse us without being a falsehood at the same time, literally, just Ryukishi07 trolling us without mercy...: Heh:
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2012-02-06, 14:10 | Link #27760 | |
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Hell, this applies even if Tohya wrote it. How did anyone know?
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