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Video Captures Man Confronting School Board Before Shooting
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( expecting the commnet like '' but if one hostage had a gun...'' in 3 , 2 , 1... ).
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2010-12-15, 11:31 | Link #10643 | |
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You can't use legaly a car witout a driver's licence, no ?
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2010-12-15, 12:10 | Link #10645 | |
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http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...tory?track=rss Read that article. Then read this fact. It is almost impossible to carry a firearm legally in the state of California. 99.99999% of people who apply will get turned down, unless they are in law enforcement. So the people involved in that strip mall shooting, were illegally carrying firearms, and a mother was killed. What exactly does this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? When the honest citizen is not allowed to defend themselves, evil criminals are able to act with impunity. Washington D.C. was the homicide capital of America until recently, and it's had one of the strictest gun control laws anywhere. Gun control laws ALWAYS benefit the criminals. |
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2010-12-15, 13:57 | Link #10649 | |
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You want that the peoples to have the possibility to defend themself and so do I , but to put a gun into the hand of everyone isn't enough; they need to be abble to use safely for them and the one around them. Any idiots might be cappable to shot a gun, but a formation might help them to use it safely.
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2010-12-15, 14:16 | Link #10650 |
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Well... most kids *got* firearms training/discipline in the US until the mid-70s either from their parents, their scout leaders, their church group, shooting clubs, high-school shooting teams, etc. "Strangely", the violence rate was much lower.
The demonization and ignorance leads to many of the situations we see today. And of course, the warlords and thugs love a disarmed population...
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2010-12-15, 14:20 | Link #10651 | |
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2010-12-15, 14:27 | Link #10652 | |
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2010-12-15, 14:40 | Link #10655 |
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oh and building new facilities shouldn't be an issue they can just get cheap labor from africa and southeast asia also, i know there are lots of southeast asians who want to work in countries like quatar to earn fresh a-rab money and convert it back to their local currency (and hopefully get millions of <insert southeast asian currency here>) |
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2010-12-15, 15:09 | Link #10657 |
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You're also leaving off any analysis of the total number of crimes that were thwarted by victims being armed. Using the murder-by-firearm count alone is rather simplistic analysis. For example, how does that compare with the statistical trends of murder by other means? But really, we'd be derailing the thread carrying this very far.
The best argument I've seen for the decreasing crime rate since the 90s is actually that the ones-who-tend-to-offend in large part have gotten very old behind bars due to 3-strikes type laws. Yeah, we grow more of them... but the baby boom is also over. My wife is actually better at this discussion from her feminist perspective - a firearm gives her, a 95 pound pixie, a chance against a large opponent. Yes, she knows jiu jitsu (taught by her father) - she has no intention of letting them get that close. She's grown up with firearms, knows the safety protocols, and a fair number of her cousins (7/27) are law enforcement officers. *I* can use a club, sword, bow&arrow, etc. if guns are removed from citizens - *she* doesn't have the upper body strength. Last I'll say on it in this thread.... Edit: on a completely different news note - this ruling by the Supreme Court has nasty ramifications for First Sale rights in the US. editorial before ruling: http://blogs.forbes.com/danielfisher...cheap-watches/ editorial after ruling: http://blogs.forbes.com/danielfisher...ght-challenge/ Basically, it appears that the SCOTUS has let stand the notion that you can deny resale rights to any customer of your product if you produced it overseas..... o.O (Even *Forbes* thinks it is crazy)
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2010-12-15, 15:54 | Link #10658 |
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Philosophically speaking, I actually don't have any problem with the idea of fire arms registration. In fact, a registered system where every able bodied male was required to own a military rifle converted to semi automatic and to receive mandatory firearms instruction. Of course this kind of compromise system probably isn't possible considering that the Brady campaign isn't remotely interested in sane or reasonable gun control laws. They're interested is a full ban and confiscation.
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2010-12-15, 16:12 | Link #10659 |
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argh... I'll treat this as a separate topic: the real problem with the NRA is unrelated to gun ownership - its that the organization has been co-opted by the interests of the extreme conservative plutocracy (I place the co-opt in the early 1990s).
It *uses* fear of gun-taking to drive the members to vote for some of the biggest douchebags in US history. Someone can be a pedo-lusting, transnational corporatist who kicks puppies, destroys jobs, and ships all our industry overseas but "golly durn he supports gun rights!!!" I can barely read the front half of the member magazine anymore its so full of nonsense (dropped my membership in the late 90s, they still send me the magazine and I assume they still pretend I'm a member). Any discussion with NRA spokesmen and Brady group in the mix is a non-starter. They both lie through their teeth. Personally, I'd like to see required firearms training of all citizens as part of the "citizen militia". Of course, I also think everyone with a driver's license should have to undergo an annual checkride like airplane pilots do, no one listens to me on that either
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2010-12-15, 16:33 | Link #10660 |
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Gun safty is knowing where to point your gun...when to point your gun, and hitting your target when needed. It is also knowing when not to use your gun.
Do I own one? No. Do I know how to use one? Yes, most definately. My first merit badge as a Boy Scout was Rifle Shooting and I impressed my Scoutmaster with my accuracy when I got my Shotgun Shooting some years later. The right to own a gun is not the same as the right to carry a gun in public in most states. California does not allow you to carry a weapon outside in public generally speaking. However there is something to be said about Arizona laws on the subject. I don't know the exact quote, but it went something like "People will be friendlier in general if they know that being cross with you could get them a bullet for their trouble." This also spills over to things like robbery, rape, and assault. A criminal is less likely to attempt these things if he is unsure about who might be packing a legal firearm, and who might know how to use it against him. (Think the original plot for "Death Wish".) The whole risk verse reward situation.
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