Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[tenken627]

Originally Posted by Kushi

Maybe Marianne will be the main villian in the end, but I can't see C.C betraying Lelouch... they're repeated the whole C.C saying to Lelouch "I'll stay with you forever" too much. Besides, why would C.C want Lelouch to live if all he's going to be is an obstacle later on?

Lelouch has to live until a certain moment or event where he has to fulfill his contract. The contract really has nothing to do with a rebellion. CC is intrigued by it, but it's not necessary for her contract.

For all we know, the contract might involve Lelouch's death later on and CC needs to keep him alive until then.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by LastOrder

I wonder what Anya, has to do with Marianne, Lelouch, and Nunnally. Now that she's at school with him. I also dont think that she knows that he is Zero, So if she ever shows him pictures of his kid self and such, how is Lulu going to deny that? Because she seems to know him >_>;

I'm curious if he remembers her actually since this is the first time I think he has interacted with her. If he doesn't despite those pics then something is definitely up. Or Charles did something...

Originally Posted by Kushi

Maybe Marianne will be the main villian in the end, but I can't see C.C betraying Lelouch... they're repeated the whole C.C saying to Lelouch "I'll stay with you forever" too much. Besides, why would C.C want Lelouch to live if all he's going to be is an obstacle later on?

She doesn't have to like doing it. And the use of that line sort of begs for it to be proven wrong by her betraying him in the end. It could be because he didn't act like she and Marianne wanted in the end.

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Maybe Lelouch has to go up against these Gods, Marianne, and C.C. in the end even.

Okay - you can believe whatever bullcrap you wanna, but I'm gonna ask you to stop ramming those same, repetitive presumptions of yours down our throats over and over and over....

Originally Posted by yamibakura

Also wanted to say in my last post that Shirley probably would be extremely irate that Suzaku sold out not just Lelouch, but Milly, Rivils, included. <_< He sold them out too.

I think I mentioned this in the older thread, that one plot element we might see later might involve Shirley, Milly or Rivalz finding out Suzaku allowed Charles to tamper with their memories...looks like I'm vindicated, or that the staff thought out this same scenario...should be interesting.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Okay - you can believe whatever bullcrap you wanna, but I'm gonna ask you to stop ramming those same, repetitive presumptions of yours down our throats over and over and over....

Um, what are you talking about? I've brought this idea up a few times before I know, but that doesn't warrent you attacking me. It's an actual scenario that is possible so don't attack me for it. You mind telling me what makes it bullcrap as you say?

[tenken627]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I think you're forgetting that now Shirley, Millay, Rivalz, and to some extent Nina and Suzaku are part of his reason for fighting against Britannia. Remember, it was those three who solidified Lelouch's decision to continue his battle as Zero. If he were to lose their support, then what's the point of continuing to fight? Ashford isn't useless, it still has a role to play.

Yes, but that doesn't mean you have to show them often.

In fact, most stories, the protagonist's friends that are not "journeying" with the protagonist are usually only shown in the beginning and the end.

[yezhanquan]

Unless, of course, they are not merely there as friends.....

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Unless, of course, they are not merely there as friends.....

What could they possibly do though?

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Um, what are you talking about? I've brought this idea up a few times before I know, but that doesn't warrent you attacking me. It's an actual scenario that is possible so don't attack me for it. You mind telling me what makes it bullcrap as you say?

Okay, so maybe I was harsh and for that I apologize...but I think the substance of my point remains. Okay - so we know CC and Marianne have probably interacted and even now, somehow, CC is "conversing" with Marianne. And there have been no real indications CC or Marianne is an evil villain much less the final boss yet you're determined on this point and more so in trying to convince us through sheer repetitive habits. We know we'll learn more info about Marianne as R2 progresses, so why now assume that Marianne will be bad honcho numero uno?

[tenken627]

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Unless, of course, they are not merely there as friends.....

Maybe.

Do you foresee Millay, Shirley, or Rivalz joining the OotBK or the Britannia forces anytime?

I mean, actually able to do something themselves and not be just bait or something.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by tenken627

Maybe.

Do you foresee Millay, Shirley, or Rivalz joining the OotBK or the Britannia forces anytime?

I mean, actually able to do something themselves and not be just bait or something.

Well, as it is, Shirley's already proven to be useful (the whole call thing) so she may be able to fill the role of an advisor to Zero. Granted, that may not happen if whatever incoming revelation strains/destroys their friendship.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Okay, so maybe I was harsh and for that I apologize...but I think the substance of my point remains. Okay - so we know CC and Marianne have probably interacted and even now, somehow, CC is "conversing" with Marianne. And there have been no real indications CC or Marianne is an evil villain much less the final boss yet you're determined on this point and more so in trying to convince us through sheer repetitive habits. We know we'll learn more info about Marianne as R2 progresses, so why now assume that Marianne will be bad honcho numero uno?

I'm not determined on the idea at all honestly and don't want it to happen. I'm just presenting a possible scenario since it wouldn't be that surprising to see. I sometimes think that Marianne's image as a loving mother and great person was going to be shot down somehow and with her agenda with C.C. this seems possible. The fact she called off the guards and thus implying she knew of the attack is very odd and suspicious.

I'm not saying it will happen, but that it could happen in the end. We don't know what C.C. or Marianne's goals are so they could easily be something that perhaps Lelouch does not agree with. It doesn't need to be evil since that is something of a non-existing word in this series with all the gray we have.

Enough of C.C. has been presented that I would find it rather surprising for her to turn on Lelouch when points do indicate that she does care for him to some degree. Along with this is how the staff noted that she wouldn't abandon Lelouch after episode 15. Sometimes though, feelings need to be surpressed for something bigger.

[yezhanquan]

I sure hope that the producers won't use Rivalz as some Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass. We know zero about who his father is.

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think they'll pull anything much with Rivalz. I think what you see with him is what you get. He could always do something brave I guess.

[yamibakura]

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday

Maybe, but she might not think about it in wake of learning about Lelouch.

Yeah I suppose. I don't think it'll happen all at once. Not through the course of 1 episode or 1 scene by itself. Maybe through 12 and especially 13. I wonder what she's going to call out Suzaku about though.

Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Back from the dead. I don't know about you, but bringing Marianne back seems a little distasteful to me.

I can see it happening. It would be another great test of Lelouch's will and resolve.

Anyways things look like they'll be picking up. 12 won't be as useless as many thought. Still its amazing how they can put so much into each episode.

[Dann of Thursday]

Originally Posted by yamibakura

Yeah I suppose. I don't think it'll happen all at once. Not through the course of 1 episode or 1 scene by itself. Maybe through 12 and especially 13. I wonder what she's going to call out Suzaku about though.

She's calling him for help probably. Either because of Jeremiah or because she has all these memories and Suzaku is the only one she thinks she can turn to.

[tenken627]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Well, as it is, Shirley's already proven to be useful (the whole call thing) so she may be able to fill the role of an advisor to Zero. Granted, that may not happen if whatever incoming revelation strains/destroys their friendship.

Ok, if that scenario does happen, does that justify the setting being brought back to Ashford over and over?

I know the show is trying to keep it's school life flavor, but I just feel that it is not conforming well with the epic nature that CG tries to aspire to.

I feel that Code Geass is just trying to do too much: too many subplots, too many characters, and too many themes that is making the show convoluted. It's doing fine as is, but I feel that the show could be much more better if it shed some of the "not as necessary" stuff, or at least lighten the screen time on those.

[yezhanquan]

As long as the producers don't run clip shows, there is plenty of room for the sub-plots.

Outside of the TV series, however, some of the novels had already run into canon issues, which is kinda sad really.

[Dann of Thursday]

I doubt they'll do clipshows. I hate them so much. At least the ones in season 1 weren't actual episodes.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

Okay - you can believe whatever bullcrap you wanna, but I'm gonna ask you to stop ramming those same, repetitive presumptions of yours down our throats over and over and over....

As long as it isn't an illogical one, I see no problem with it.

[NoLongerSane]

That's right. I don't remember Code Geass ever having an episode dedicated to clips.