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Old 2004-10-18, 05:16   Link #1
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Secret Seals?

Ok, every site I can find that has information about the hand-seals performed by the Naruverse ninjas point to a set of 12 hand formations that stand for each of the 12 Zodiac signs.

That's all very well and good, but there are more than 12 seals as demonstrated on various occasions.

First of all, the Kage Bunshin final seal doesn't resemble any of the standard 12 seals that we are familiar with... so what is it?

To use the Suiryuudan no Jutsu, Kakasji and Zabuza go thorugh a complicated series of Seal totalling 44 in all, 42 of which are composed of thestandard seals.

I've checked the manga and the Anime and both confirm that there is another seal in there (closed fist layed over an open palm); at first I thought it was just a descrpency in the Anime, but I checked the Manga chapter and there is an extra symbol in there that does not corrospond. (it looks like two long horozontal lines flanking one short horozontal line, connected by a vertical line through their centers)


Now, the point of this thread was to ask; Does anyone have any solid information/theories on what these special seals are?


The only lead I have is that (delberately or not, I don't know) most, if not all of the Zodiac hand seals resemble acctual Alchemical hand formations from ye olde times.


Anyone?
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Old 2004-10-18, 05:49   Link #2
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There are far more then two different seals oit there: orochimaru's Curse_Seal, Seini Jashu, the Jutsu used by the 2nd was composed by 3 different Seals nad the Shiki Fuujin is also different.
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Old 2004-10-18, 05:58   Link #3
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the only thing that i know about the seals is that they represent different animals or something
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Old 2004-10-18, 05:58   Link #4
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He's talking about the symbols for the indivisual hand seals. They represent animals and things on the Zodiac. I'm not familiar with the Zodiac or hand seals although I know the Ninja use them in real life. If you see seals that aren't official they may just be hand seals they made up. Makes sense to me. That or they're seals not on the Zodiac, perhaps something specifally Japanese.

http://www.narutofan.com/index.php/c...e,hand%20seals

This site shows all the hand seals of the Zodiac, they are all there in Naruto. Perhaps an extra seal you might see is simply the user changing the position of his hands.
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Old 2004-10-18, 05:59   Link #5
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There are far more then two different seals oit there: orochimaru's Curse_Seal, Seini Jashu, the Jutsu used by the 2nd was composed by 3 different Seals nad the Shiki Fuujin is also different.
LOL, he was talking about 12 normal seals + 2 unknown, not 2 seals...
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Old 2004-10-18, 06:22   Link #6
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There are probably dozens of hand seals whe don't know. It's just something we'll probably find out about later. I remember seeing a picture of the first hokage doing some kind of messed up seal. It was the exact opposite of the tora handseal, index and middle fingers wove together while the ring and pinky where sticking out. Also, there's the final seal to the byaakugan. Not to mention others... we'll find out later I guess.

Last edited by Kadius; 2004-10-18 at 06:24. Reason: Tora, not tori.
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Old 2004-10-18, 06:30   Link #7
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I thought they were just there for the "Cool" factor.
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Old 2004-10-18, 11:48   Link #8
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I thought they were just there for the "Cool" factor.
actually this guy at www.narutoinfo.com took the liberty of making one hell of a hand seal guide.
appareantly they also make use of "half" seals.

Anyway I just saw that the site has been down for a few days now so I don't know when you can check it. But my guess is that everything seal-related will be cleared up in that guide.
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Old 2004-10-18, 13:03   Link #9
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Honestly what is it with DBZ fanboys and charts? Can't you just enjoy a story? With DBZ everyone proclaimed their vast knowledge of all powerlevels. Now they all make charts of abilities and seals...

Honest to god... this is just amazing.
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Old 2004-10-18, 14:18   Link #10
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Honestly what is it with DBZ fanboys and charts? Can't you just enjoy a story? With DBZ everyone proclaimed their vast knowledge of all powerlevels. Now they all make charts of abilities and seals...

Honest to god... this is just amazing.
And you contribution is amazing too Dalton, What we need is a guy who comes in a thread every now and then and throws around the word "fanboy". Whines a bit about the trivial topic and finishes his post in a cool manner to show everybody he stands far above our feeble level of amusement.

seriously stfu if you have nothing to say, ur pissing me off.
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Old 2004-10-18, 14:30   Link #11
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ignoring dalton's "zo mai gad naruttads!!!" post, the "mystery" seals are actually "real" hand seals. Sorta like the various hand positions in meditation. Someone linked to a site about it once, but its in the bowels of previous pages now.

Incidentally shikamaru's thinking hand allignment is one of those indian/buddist meditation things, designed to open the mind.
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Old 2004-10-18, 18:55   Link #12
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And you contribution is amazing too Dalton, What we need is a guy who comes in a thread every now and then and throws around the word "fanboy". Whines a bit about the trivial topic and finishes his post in a cool manner to show everybody he stands far above our feeble level of amusement.

seriously stfu if you have nothing to say, ur pissing me off.
You're severely mistaking if you think I posted to contribute to this discusion. I posted to make fun of you... Looks like it got to you
See? I have plenty to say. Just not allot you would like
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Old 2004-10-19, 02:33   Link #13
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Congratulations, youre making people hate you.
Why do you waste your time?
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Old 2004-10-19, 04:27   Link #14
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Congratulations, youre making people hate you.
Why do you waste your time?
Perhaps he doesn't have the ability to post something worthwhile because he has shit for brains.

All he does is troll.
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Old 2004-10-19, 04:36   Link #15
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actually this guy at www.narutoinfo.com took the liberty of making one hell of a hand seal guide.
appareantly they also make use of "half" seals.

Anyway I just saw that the site has been down for a few days now so I don't know when you can check it. But my guess is that everything seal-related will be cleared up in that guide.
Page could not be displayed...is it just me?? Maybe some original justus include original seals too...
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Old 2004-10-19, 06:05   Link #16
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Congratulations, youre making people hate you.
Why do you waste your time?
You people make it so easy on me.
Question, is having fun a waste of time?
Answer ....
Lets see if you can ace this test,

See? It's easy to call someone stupid without saying they have shit for brains.
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Old 2004-10-19, 06:45   Link #17
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You people make it so easy on me.
Question, is having fun a waste of time?
Answer ....
Lets see if you can ace this test,

See? It's easy to call someone stupid without saying they have shit for brains.
like getting ppl to get pissed at you is hard, sherlock..
try to make sense and actually pretend to not have the IQ of a gopher and maybe ppl will give you positive attention.. cuz after all you ARE doing it for attention.. usually when little kids cant get positive attention they cry cuz, yeah.. negative attention is attention too.. but hmm although i dont really think of you highly you certainly must be over 5 ?
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Old 2004-10-19, 07:07   Link #18
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like getting ppl to get pissed at you is hard, sherlock..
try to make sense and actually pretend to not have the IQ of a gopher and maybe ppl will give you positive attention.. cuz after all you ARE doing it for attention.. usually when little kids cant get positive attention they cry cuz, yeah.. negative attention is attention too.. but hmm although i dont really think of you highly you certainly must be over 5 ?
Hey C'mon now an IQ of a gopher? Thats an insult to gophers! By the way what is up with that porn avatar?
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Old 2004-10-19, 07:09   Link #19
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Hey C'mon now an IQ of a gopher? Thats an insult to gophers! By the way what is up with that porn avatar?
porn? its just some girl on a trampoline :S
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Old 2004-10-19, 09:27   Link #20
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Pissing people off is not the point, having fun is. You see much like my smarter friends the gophers. I live my life in order to have fun. And it seems you are having a hard time pissing me off even though you're only point is to insult me. I however now manage to piss you off even more without a single bad word
You're funny
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