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ykf566 · 2010-01-20, 06:09

Wow is Accelerator that much stronger than Kakine? Wasn't it just that Accelerator could use his ability before Kakine could which had a major factor in deciding how badly one would get killed? After all they i assume they both have insane offense but rather lacking in the defensive factor against these law breaking wings.

I though it was more kinda like 2 people with rocket launchers, the one who gets hit first is dead, the other would be unharmed....

tsunade666 · 2010-01-20, 07:33

well the one who first fire a nuke is kakine and accelerator got hit by it then he gets that nukeand analyze it. After analyzing that rocket he did a neutron jammer. The then the nuke is no longer usable. Instead the mad scientist tried to use the neutron jammer to control the nuke against the naturals.

Its a coordinator vs natural battle. And if coordinator is rank 1 battling against a bird = rank 3.
How will a tori beat up a coordinator? peck it until its irritated?

The strength of rank 1 and 2 are as clear as day two. Based on what shamster said. He already use kakine's wings to stab him even before he awakens. And after he awakens. The battle of natural vs coordinator turn into a elephant stomping an ant.

ykf566 · 2010-01-20, 07:57

Well thats true. However Kakine never had a chance to use his awakened powers, given the nature of Accelerators ones, i assume it is heavily loaded offense.

Might be comparable to someone with a gun versus another with a rifle, if either hits the other it could be fatal though a rifle has higher firepower and more chances to hit.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-20, 08:45

that's why I use a nuke to refer to kakine for using a killer sun ray given that a sun ray is everywhere that still given that its still sunny or morning.

To be more precise for me I prefer kakine's power of absolute creation than being a power user of absolute control.

It's true absolute control of accelerator is ubber powered that its one sided sometimes but kakine's power just give thrills and too bad his time is too short.

btw if kakine is like a nuke missile what can we say about accelerator? a walking nuke too?
having other comparison that shows more creativity is good.

hayate-sama · 2010-01-20, 10:11

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

that's why I use a nuke to refer to kakine for using a killer sun ray given that a sun ray is everywhere that still given that its still sunny or morning.

To be more precise for me I prefer kakine's power of absolute creation than being a power user of absolute control.

It's true absolute control of accelerator is ubber powered that its one sided sometimes but kakine's power just give thrills and too bad his time is too short.

btw if kakine is like a nuke missile what can we say about accelerator? a walking nuke too?
having other comparison that shows more creativity is good.

Well it seems like there no weapon we could compare Accelerator with

, Oh wait, if we combine saber 's Avalon and Archer Unlimited blade work We could have some thing kinda similar.

Did the author explain how Vent power work, what took everyone conscious ? and did it affect Aqua and other god right seat members too ?

dahak · 2010-01-20, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Maybe not, since Johann's Pen determined Touma as an enemy. So that triggers the effect of the Divine Punishment

Index didn't think of Touma as an enemy though. She wasn't in the decision loop. So there isn't a Hostile Human to trigger Divine Punishment on.

Vent is in the class of people Index's defenses should have been designed to deal with if possible. Though that may have been the Walking Church's job.

Looks like there are some possibilities though.

Miraluka · 2010-01-20, 19:43

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Originally Posted by dahak

Index didn't think of Touma as an enemy though. She wasn't in the decision loop. So there isn't a Hostile Human to trigger Divine Punishment on.

But J.P uses Index mind.

The best option is using someone cold as Kihara.

BTW...
Vol.13 Chapter 7 part 8&9 translated.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-20, 20:31

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Originally Posted by hayate-sama

Well it seems like there no weapon we could compare Accelerator with

, Oh wait, if we combine saber 's Avalon and Archer Unlimited blade work We could have some thing kinda similar.

Did the author explain how Vent power work, what took everyone conscious ? and did it affect Aqua and other god right seat members too ?

In the vol 13 end. Aqua isn't affected when he rescued vent. Maybe because his not targeting vent. Plus Aqua works in the way of justice that's why his the SUPERMAN!. Terra would probably not affected also. That guy is insane mass murderer. As for Fianna........ who knows.

Dominic Night · 2010-01-20, 21:07

I have a few questions for anyone who's really familar with the light Novels.
-After the fight against Accelerator, was Awaki(I think, the second teleportor that fought against Kuroko) killed? Or did she get away?

-And did Touma meet Angelene and Luccia yet? And in what vol?
I think they're friends of Anize

-How far did Frenda get before being killed by Mugino?

Thank you for answering. ^^;

tsunade666 · 2010-01-20, 21:51

awaki is still alive and a member of group which where accelerator, tsuchimikado and quatzl belong with.

Touma meet the battle nuns in vol 7 when they are rescuing ursula

about frenda...... I don't know. Vol 15 is too bloody for my taste.

shmaster · 2010-01-21, 01:28

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Originally Posted by hayate-sama

Yes I get Aleister Plan through the thread but I 'm talking about the level 6 project and it mechanism.

It also explain that why Aleister chose Mikoto as a subject in Level 6 project instead of the other number 2. I my theory is correct then Accelerator is 127 or (157 ) times stronger than Mikoto.

Because Aleister did not plan to complete the project, he is aiming for the Misaka Net Work in the first place. Lv.6 project is just a cover up. There are better opponents if he ants Accelerator to evolve.

tsunade666 · 2010-01-21, 01:47

A perfect example of enemies that's on the same level like him or stronger is sending him is the saints. So sending accelerator to do the job touma usually do is a perfect way for him to level up but just like it's been said. He just a pawn doing its job.

shmaster · 2010-01-21, 23:31

....I need a confirmation on this.

Is Etzali really the name of a type of corn/pea stew in Nāhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs)?

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-22, 02:33

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Originally Posted by cubicjack

Honestly, I have no idea what they're trying to get to with their theories anymore.

Nothing really, but there's ALOT of details that have been left out of in the anime, and many more I can't translate on my own in the Novel. I've revamp my entire perception of Science and Magic at least THREE times already and I'm still missing pieces.

But more importantly right now, I've been bugged by many people elsewhere as to why people haven't try simply teleporting a needle into you-know-who's brain so as to avoid redirection altogether. And I can't give them a straight answer.

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Originally Posted by hayate-sama

In this threat, I sometime wonder what the heck I 'm reading

eventhough I following it from the beginning.

Like I've said, theories keep changing according t new facts.

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Totally agree that Imaginary Breaker Is a Cheat, Ultimate cheat. But i wonder, if Level 6 mean absolute power then Touma is a Lev6 already, Power wise, no ESP or Magic can stand again Imaginary breaker ( not talking about real situation ) as they become meaningless one they come in contact with IB.

Btw : if Divine Punishment = Magic cheat, Redirection = Science cheat so IB = Universal cheat.

Don't forget the Holy Right. That's the current Ultimate Weapon on the Magic side.

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

that's why I use a nuke to refer to kakine for using a killer sun ray given that a sun ray is everywhere that still given that its still sunny or morning.

To be more precise for me I prefer kakine's power of absolute creation than being a power user of absolute control.

It's true absolute control of accelerator is ubber powered that its one sided sometimes but kakine's power just give thrills and too bad his time is too short.

New theory: Rather than having absolute control over what he creates, Kakine's dark matter transform specific matter of this world, into a specific matter that belonged to that other world.

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Originally Posted by hayate-sama

Did the author explain how Vent power work, what took everyone conscious ? and did it affect Aqua and other god right seat members too ?

You mean the specific workings? All we know is that it's a vastly large area spell that works on the prinicple that no one should bear evil thoughts to God. In this formula, Vent subsitute herself as God, so as long as you 'bear evil thoughts' to her, the spell will knock you out.

At that time, it shouldn''t affect the other members of God's Right Seat since they're allies.

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Originally Posted by Dominic Night

I have a few questions for anyone who's really familar with the light Novels.
-After the fight against Accelerator, was Awaki(I think, the second teleportor that fought against Kuroko) killed? Or did she get away?

-And did Touma meet Angelene and Luccia yet? And in what vol?
I think they're friends of Anize

-How far did Frenda get before being killed by Mugino?

1. She was knocked out but lived. The two of them later became teammates.

2. Touma ran into them mid-way in Volume 7. They are Anieze's subordinates.

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Originally Posted by shmaster

....I need a confirmation on this.

Is Etzali really the name of a type of corn/pea stew in Nāhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs)?

I... Can't find anything on wiki

Siegfridus · 2010-01-22, 02:35

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Originally Posted by shmaster

....I need a confirmation on this.

Is Etzali really the name of a type of corn/pea stew in Nāhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs)?

Actually it doesn't mean anything. Some people say that his name is Quetzali, and a quetzal is a type of bird in latin America (also references to the deity Quetzalcoatl). But etzali doesn't mean anything.

Marcus H. · 2010-01-22, 02:56

Who's Etzali, btw? o_o

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-22, 03:16

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Who's Etzali, btw? o_o

The Aztec magician that was stalking Mikoto which prompt her to go on a 'fake' date with Touma.

Plant42 · 2010-01-22, 03:22

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Originally Posted by shmaster

....I need a confirmation on this.

Is Etzali really the name of a type of corn/pea stew in Nāhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs)?

Yes that's its meaning.

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-01-22, 05:19

Things start to get heated up in the second chapter of Volume 9

Spoiler for Stab Sword and Oriana Thompson:

Spoiler for Index and Seiri Fukiyose:

tsunade666 · 2010-01-22, 06:32

brilliant brilliant and ingenious.

Seiri really is the last stand of girls. And we are wrong to say that touma just attracts enemies. His popular in a way that he didn't even know and care. But the truth is his popular in his school in a way it didn't seems like one.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Things start to get heated up in the second chapter of Volume 9 Spoiler for Stab Sword and Oriana Thompson: Lets start with the [Stab Sword] explainations. As you know, legend has it that the sword can "Impale a Dragon to the ground", it doesn't affect normal humans, but it will kill a Saint just by pointing it in their direction. But how does it work? Well all Saints have the same body as the son of God, this is the source of their power but at the same time they inherit his weakness. No matter how you spin it, the son of god was killed. Whether he was resurrected or not doesn't matter, the fact is that he died. And how was he killed? By stabbing. His limps were nailed to a cross and was finally stabbed in the gut by a spear. Working by that principle, the [Stab Sword] was created as a weapon to counter Saints. Once it is activated no matter where the Saint is, even in the core of the Earth, or the Planet Pluto(Tsuchimikado's Exaggeration), the sword can kill him/her. As for Oriana Thompson, aka [Route Disrupt], her personality doesn't stand out as much, you can consider her the 'kind, playful big sister' character. But her magic however, is rather interesting. She's geared more as a transporter than a fighter. She uses a spell called [Silent Coin]. The effects of this magic is as such, as long anyone is facing her back, they would have the thought of "never calling out that person" or "Talk to her another time", simply put - Nobody would think of stopping her. Unfortunately, this spell was destroyed by Touma when he shook her hand. Oriana also use alot of trap spells to slow down pursuiters, she uses runes like Stiyl does. One of these is [Soil Symbol] which works on the Five Elements. By using a piece of paper with the words [Soil Symbol] in the right element's colour, she can manipulate that nature. However, using a wrong colour, can result in an offensive attack. Spoiler for Index and Seiri Fukiyose: If Seiri does like Touma, she's doing a bloody good job hidding it. She has absolutely no shy/dere/blushing reactions to any one of Touma 'accidental advances'. I mean, this girl is iron-willed-tsun, I can see what the other classmates meant by her being their last Baston But that said, she had a nice moment with Touma when she held his hand and dragged him away, she talked about how Touma seem distracted the whole time and wonders if Touma wasn't enjoying himself. Being one of the organizing members of the event, she felt responsible if people didn't like it. Touma couldn't tell her about the Magicians running around, taking advantage of her hard work for their own gain, so he can only promise himself to work harder and assure her that he doesn't dislike the festival. Then there's Index... After she and Touma got separated, Yomikawa picked her up and drop her off with Komoe. After feeding her tons of food, Index express her dismay that everyone seems to be separating Touma from her today (Quite true ). Komoe thought of a way that she can be a part of the festival without being a student and rush her off to get changed into a cheerleader outfit. Unfortunately, Touma walked in on her JUST as she was about to (as in NOT YET) put on her underwear. "TOUMA, tell me, how many times does this make?!?!" "I''M REALLY SORRY! Please don't bite me!!!" Index lunge at him to grab on to his body, Touma tried to dodge, Index was about to bite down hard but due to some misjudge in angle... Ended up with her lips on his cheek. Touma then described everything he felt in his head- from her soft lips to her teeth to the tip of her tongue and her warm saliva. Touma was shocked, Index was beyond red, and Komoe just sat there speechless. It was brilliant __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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ykf566 Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Wow is Accelerator that much stronger than Kakine? Wasn't it just that Accelerator could use his ability before Kakine could which had a major factor in deciding how badly one would get killed? After all they i assume they both have insane offense but rather lacking in the defensive factor against these law breaking wings. I though it was more kinda like 2 people with rocket launchers, the one who gets hit first is dead, the other would be unharmed....

2010-01-20, 07:33	Link #1622
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	well the one who first fire a nuke is kakine and accelerator got hit by it then he gets that nukeand analyze it. After analyzing that rocket he did a neutron jammer. The then the nuke is no longer usable. Instead the mad scientist tried to use the neutron jammer to control the nuke against the naturals. Its a coordinator vs natural battle. And if coordinator is rank 1 battling against a bird = rank 3. How will a tori beat up a coordinator? peck it until its irritated? The strength of rank 1 and 2 are as clear as day two. Based on what shamster said. He already use kakine's wings to stab him even before he awakens. And after he awakens. The battle of natural vs coordinator turn into a elephant stomping an ant.

2010-01-20, 07:57	Link #1623
ykf566 Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Well thats true. However Kakine never had a chance to use his awakened powers, given the nature of Accelerators ones, i assume it is heavily loaded offense. Might be comparable to someone with a gun versus another with a rifle, if either hits the other it could be fatal though a rifle has higher firepower and more chances to hit.

2010-01-20, 08:45	Link #1624
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	that's why I use a nuke to refer to kakine for using a killer sun ray given that a sun ray is everywhere that still given that its still sunny or morning. To be more precise for me I prefer kakine's power of absolute creation than being a power user of absolute control. It's true absolute control of accelerator is ubber powered that its one sided sometimes but kakine's power just give thrills and too bad his time is too short. btw if kakine is like a nuke missile what can we say about accelerator? a walking nuke too? having other comparison that shows more creativity is good.

2010-01-20, 21:07	Link #1629
Dominic Night Its time to Exist Join Date: May 2008	I have a few questions for anyone who's really familar with the light Novels. -After the fight against Accelerator, was Awaki(I think, the second teleportor that fought against Kuroko) killed? Or did she get away? -And did Touma meet Angelene and Luccia yet? And in what vol? I think they're friends of Anize -How far did Frenda get before being killed by Mugino? Thank you for answering. ^^;

2010-01-20, 21:51	Link #1630
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	awaki is still alive and a member of group which where accelerator, tsuchimikado and quatzl belong with. Touma meet the battle nuns in vol 7 when they are rescuing ursula about frenda...... I don't know. Vol 15 is too bloody for my taste.

2010-01-21, 01:47	Link #1632
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	A perfect example of enemies that's on the same level like him or stronger is sending him is the saints. So sending accelerator to do the job touma usually do is a perfect way for him to level up but just like it's been said. He just a pawn doing its job.

2010-01-21, 23:31	Link #1633
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	....I need a confirmation on this. Is Etzali really the name of a type of corn/pea stew in Nāhuatl (the language spoken by the Aztecs)?

2010-01-22, 06:32	Link #1640
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	brilliant brilliant and ingenious. Seiri really is the last stand of girls. And we are wrong to say that touma just attracts enemies. His popular in a way that he didn't even know and care. But the truth is his popular in his school in a way it didn't seems like one.