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originally posted by Sinestra:
I also thnk that Rin has some other motives for moving into the house, plus its going to be intresting to see what happens with all these girls in the house with him. Does anyone have any theories on some Romantic aspects between shirou Rin Saber and Sakura?
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Yes.
*note that this post is based upon anime observance & speculation only, and is not flavoured in any sense by spoilers from the game. Use at your own risk*
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There are (discounting same sex relationships) three ways the triangle could resolve here (and I doubt the lesbian theme will occur in the TV version of Fate). They are, naturally enough, Sakura & Shirou, Saber & Shirou, Rin & Shirou. Other characters/pairings are too minor to be given screentime.
Firstly, Sakura as Shirou's partner. She is obviously devoted to Shirou, from what we have seen in the anime - which begins in episode one, and continues, albeit more sporadically as the show progresses. Firstly, there is her sudden decision (as we haven't yet received a motivation) for her to come over to 'learn to cook' properly from Shirou, which results in her being his
de facto housekeeper. She obviously also, by the way her character interacts with Shirou (ref. episode one during the 'breakfast scene'; episode 8 after Rin has 'explained the situation) has romantic feelings towards Shirou, which are, at this point unrequited. And they will continue to be so.
From Shirou's attitude towards Sakura, he regards her far more as a younger sibling or as a friend then as a romantic interest. He does have regard for her feelings (ref: episode 7, when he 'stands up' Rin to explain to Sakura what was occurring in the morning) but he does not show any romantic feelings or attitudes to Sakura that could in any way lead to a form of relationship other than what they have. He obviously does love her, but I use love here in a platonic/filial, and not a romantic/sexual manner.
Secondly, Saber as Shirou's partner. On the face of it, this pairing does look plausible and attractive. They're living together, working together, and they both have reasons to stay together. This is.... really it, though. For Saber's part, her feelings towards Shirou are a mixture of exasperation and slight empathy. She has no romantic attachment whatsoever to Shirou at this point, and there is no evidence that such an attachment will occur (based on the anime so far). She regards Shirou as her Master, but refers to him as inexperienced (frequently) and is often irritated with how he seems to treat her (ref: pretty much every episode featuring Saber). Her relationship with him, on her part, is purely professional.
Shirou's feelings towarads Saber are more complex, but are still not that intense. There is no point in the anime, for instance, where Shirou shows Saber the degree of
affection that he does to Sakura. He shows concern, certainly, especially during the Berserker fight, and during almost every incidence in which Saber might be involved in combat. This attitude stems from his chivalrous (what people are calling chauvanistic) interpretation of his role in the Holy Grail War. Shirou sees it as his role to be the 'warrior' type - which Saber naturally finds irritating, as she sees it as her role. Shirou's view is definitely coloured by the Berserker/Saber battle, it occurs in each flashback when he considers summoning Saber to assist him. (ref: everywhere!). He is constantly worrying that Saber will be hurt - but no more so than he worries about Shinji (before he finds out that Shinji is evil, twisted, and just plain ol'nasty), or Issei. Saber is evolving to the position of
friend to Shirou - he cares about her safety, he makes sure she's eating, etc, but there are no flashes of 'star-cross'd lovers' happening in the actual show so far.
That said I will admit that there is a possibility of it in the future, but I maintain for the moment that such feeling would not occur on Saber's part. At present, Shirou's feelings towards Saber are deepening - to friendship in my interpretation, perhaps companionship. Saber's feelings are likewise deepening to Shirou (ref: episode 9, the talk with Rin) but she seems to be coming more towards feelings of 'acceptance' than towards feelings of love for Shirou. Respect, admiration, perhaps (eventually) but not love. (I will possibly change this after episode 10, depending on the context of the 'screenshot' from the preview. Stay tuned~).
Yes, I'm aware of the various options offered for Saber/Shirou love references (on Shirou's part). Specifically, addressing the 'Saber's a girl' theory (which seems to be that Shirou is blinded to the fact that she is a warrior simply because she is a woman), I refer to my previous paragraph. He's evolving to a platonic position here, where he has respect for Saber and he cares for her (this is evident, and obvious), but no actual romantic thought is overtly (or seriously subversively) placed within the show. It's possible that it will be there. But we can't really see it yet. As to Saber's beauty when she appears - yes, he was awestruck. Has noone ever here been amazed at the beauty/handsomness of a random person before (which is what Saber kinda was at the time) without feeling romantic love? I certainly have felt a 'wow!' thought, and have then not followed through with it - heck, even when I've encountered someone random and then they've become a friend after the fact does not imply or necessitate relationship material. But I digress.
Now thirdly, Rin and Shirou. Both the blindingly obvious, and the (somewhat) veiled. There are references to this relationship occurring in
every single episode they are both in. I could point out them all, but that would take... well, about five hours of watching, plus writing time. So five hours and five minutes. And it's late here. But here's the major ones that I remember (off the top of my head, actual episode numbers may be, oh, somewhat fluid).
Episode 1 - Shirou's crush on Rin is rather obvious here. Episode 2, Rin's reaction to it being
Shirou who was dead, and not a random bystander (and her dialogue in particular). Episode 2 (again) Rin's discussion with Archer, when he points out the 'waste' of the jewel (Rin's reaction) and when he points out that Lancer will try to kill Shirou again (look of horror on Rin's face). Episode 3, Rin actually helping an opponent (she has no scruples against any other opponent). Episode 4, Rin's very possessive attitude towards Shirou (tea bag reference), the fact that she brought him home. Episode 5, Rin's encounter with Shirou in the corridor (both of their reactions, Shirou facial, Rin flasback and dialogue), and the 'fight scene' that ensues and continues into Episode 6. As I said in the discussion threads for those episodes, she is justifying herself to Archer in regards to her comments... but actions speak louder than words. Episode 7, basically... the entire episode. Highlights being the rooftop scenes - both of them, the first one more so Rin (facial expression, tone), the second one more so Shirou (his character is what I would describe as gently compassionate, understanding in both tone and facial, as well as word choice - oh, and the buying drinks thing
) - Rin's reaction to Shirou saying she seems like she's caring about him as they say goodnight at the gates. Episode 8 just hammers certain things home - note how more anxious Shirou is about having Rin under his roof than he was Saber (he seems a might defensive about the whole thing), and note the easy familiarity Rin is adopting around Shirou - this is continued into episode 9)
The easy familiarity that Rin and Shirou are adopting as they go through is far more that of a 'couple' than either Saber & Shirou, or Sakura & Shirou. Note though, that neither Rin nor Shirou would currently consider themselves a couple in any sense (other than their alliance) and both of them would probably disavow any feelings for each other if pressed for open discourse about it - Rin probably blushing and somewhat indignation, Shirou defensively and drawing back. And this kind of reaction simply nails the coffin lid tighter - there are feelings there on both sides (surprisingly, or perhaps not, more evident on Rin's side, at least affectionate feelings) but both are, well, teenagers, and both are in a rather vulnerable position comparative to each other (.... guess
) and to their peers/companions (Sakura, Saber, Archer, Fuji-nee, Issei, etc)
For the moment, I am kind of adopting a 'wait and see' attitude, but until something changes, the most reasonable, logical, and textually supported relationship is that evolving between Rin and Shirou. Sakura was dismissed after the first five minutes of the show (as relationship fodder at any rate), and the support for Saber/Shirou as a relationship is not there (in romantic, not yet) and is far inferior to both the explicit and implicit support for Rin/Shirou. I acknowledge that we are only nine episodes in, less than halfway through the show. Anything, presumably, could happen. But on the evidence of the moment, meaning the show evidence in character interaction, dialogue, tone, facial expression, and actions, it is most likely that
if a
romantic relationship specifically evolves within the context of Fate/stay night, it will be one between Rin and Shirou.
Thank you everyone who read this far... I got carried away. ^_^
Best wishes all,
-Andiyar
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