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DragoonKain3 · 2009-05-16, 18:50

Why do you guys think I'm still buying games from NISA despite my recent purchases from them are less than stellar? Because I still WANT these kind of games translated in English.

I mean, I am one of the few people who mourned the loss of Working Designs. A lot of people don't particularly care about their translations (or to be more precise, how liberal they were at it), but hell, I was just grateful to have games such as Growlanser and Arc the Lad come over stateside. I wouldn't wish the same fate on NISA.

That said, there is no excuse for the recent buggy games. They might still have my money, but despite how much money I spend on games, I'm still only one guy and I'm not nearly enough to keep them afloat. They have my support till the end, but I can't say the same for anyone else who's smarter than I am stubborn with my faith. All I'm saying is that if they want to still be in business, they better shape up or else, their reputation will catch up to them.

Of course, they have a lot of time in their hands to fix their mistakes. And in making the public be more aware of their recent deficiencies, I hope it will encourage them not to make the same mistakes again. Goodness knows that even Atlus, my current favourite company, doesn't have a spot-free history... (Persona 1 missing a big chunk of content and only having the latter half of Persona 2, anyone?)

Benoit · 2009-05-17, 07:13

I also care. Now I won't be buying Rhapsody DS.

Mauru · 2009-05-18, 22:20

Benoit, you shouldn't give up that easly.

Benoit · 2009-05-19, 17:16

I'm sorry, I don't want to buy a game riddled with glitches that weren't there in the original version. It's bad QA, and I won't be supporting this shoddyness with my precious money.

Mauru · 2009-05-19, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Benoit

I'm sorry, I don't want to buy a game riddled with glitches that weren't there in the original version. It's bad QA, and I won't be supporting this shoddyness with my precious money.

Well..if you want to think like that at least wait until the game comes out and if it has glitches then don't buy it.

But don't jump to conclusions now.

DingoEnderZOE2 · 2009-05-19, 20:23

I agree let's just wait and see how the game is when it comes out, Benoit as a fellow Bishoujo game fan, I thought you of all people wouldn't be so quick to jump to making rash decisions.

DragoonKain3 · 2009-05-20, 00:14

Uhh, I was under the impression that Benoit was talking about Rhapsody DS, not Sakura Taisen V. Which I can understand his position... most people don't want to waste money on bad products.

For the smart people (ie. people not like me), they should wait for STV's reviews before making a purchase. Not because of the score (which I think every RPG site would rate at least favourably), but whether or not bugs/glitches/slowdowns/untranslated text are present in game.

As for me... pre-order day one, baby!

(Man, I sometimes wonder if its people like me who encourage this kind of behaviour from the companies, since no matter how bad their product is, they know I'll still buy it...

)

Mauru · 2009-05-20, 00:18

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Uhh, I was under the impression that Benoit was talking about Rhapsody DS, not Sakura Taisen V. Which I can understand his position... most people don't want to waste money on bad products.

For the smart people (ie. people not like me), they should wait for STV's reviews before making a purchase. Not because of the score (which I think every RPG site would rate at least favourably), but whether or not bugs/glitches/slowdowns/untranslated text are present in game.

As for me... pre-order day one, baby!

(Man, I sometimes wonder if its people like me who encourage this kind of behaviour from the companies, since no matter how bad their product is, they know I'll still buy it...

)

Well it really implyed it when he said:

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and I won't be supporting this shoddyness with my precious money.

He is talking about "THIS".

I don't think you should blame yourself I doubt games with glitches and all that sell well.

DragoonKain3 · 2009-05-20, 00:42

Nah, while it can be read that way, it still makes much more sense if he's talking about Rhapsody.

1) Last thing he specifically talked about is NOT BUYING Rhapsody DS
2) Benoit replied that he doesn't want a game that has glitches that werent in the original version
3) Rhapsody is a buggy game, while no one is sure what STV is
4) he said 'I won't be supporting shoddyness with my precious money',

Going by 4 basically being the same as 1 in terms of action (not spending money), the most logical object (aka. 'this') would then be the same object that was in 1 (which is Rhapsody). This is further evidenced by 2 talking about a 'buggy game', in which we know from 3 is the Rhapsody is one. Not only that, but from 1 he already implied that the reason he won't be buying Rhapsody is because its buggy, which further reinforces that its Rhapsody and not Sakura Taisen V he's talking about.

Of course, I hope I'm not putting words in Benoit's mouth. XD

But yeah, if there's anything I learned in critical thinking classes, its to be charitable (ie. assume the person is smart rather than not). Goes a long way in avoiding strawman arguements, misinterpretations, and especially flame wars in other boards I frequent.

Mauru · 2009-05-20, 00:46

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Nah, while it can be read that way, it still makes much more sense if he's talking about Rhapsody.

1) Last thing he specifically talked about is NOT BUYING Rhapsody DS
2) Benoit replied that he doesn't want a game that has glitches that werent in the original version
3) Rhapsody is a buggy game, while no one is sure what STV is
4) he said 'I won't be supporting shoddyness with my precious money',

Going by 4 basically being the same as 1 in terms of action (not spending money), the most logical object (aka. 'this') would then be the same object that was in 1 (which is Rhapsody). This is further evidenced by 2 talking about a 'buggy game', in which we know from 3 is the Rhapsody is one. Not only that, but from 1 he already implied that the reason he won't be buying Rhapsody is because its buggy, which further reinforces that its Rhapsody and not Sakura Taisen V he's talking about.

Of course, I hope I'm not putting words in Benoit's mouth. XD

But yeah, if there's anything I learned in critical thinking classes, its to be charitable. Goes a long way in avoiding strawman arguements, misinterpretations, and especially flame wars in other boards I frequent.

You seem to be some kind of genuis.

DragoonKain3 · 2009-05-20, 00:54

Nah. Critical Thinking classes + debating in shipping forums (of which can get really nasty, one of them was called the 'deathmarch thread' for crying out loud) has given me a lot of practice. Just like with any other skill, all it takes is just that.

Mauru · 2009-05-20, 01:02

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Nah. Critical Thinking classes + debating in shipping forums (of which can get really nasty, one of them was called the 'deathmarch thread' for crying out loud) has given me a lot of practice. Just like with any other skill, all it takes is just that.

What is shipping?

And for not getting off-topic I will say my favorite character in Sakura Taisen V is Diana.

DingoEnderZOE2 · 2009-05-20, 02:00

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Originally Posted by Mauru

What is shipping?

And for not getting off-topic I will say my favorite character in Sakura Taisen V is Diana.

I'm assuming when he says "Shipping" He's talking about the discussions of video game couples and who fit who. I think?

My favorite character in Sakura Taisen V were Gemini, Ratchet and Rika.

But Mauru I thought you never played Sakura Taisen V which is why you're looking forward to this the most, unless you're basing it off character design, how can you say Diana's your favorite character?

OceanBlue · 2009-05-20, 02:08

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Originally Posted by DingoEnderZOE2

I'm assuming when he says "Shipping" He's talking about the discussions of video game couples and who fit who. I think?

My favorite character in Sakura Taisen V were Gemini, Ratchet and Rika.

But Mauru I thought you never played Sakura Taisen V which is why you're looking forward to this the most, unless you're basing it off character design, how can you say Diana's your favorite character?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shipping
Here you go.

I was pissed at AT2, but I'll give STV a chance I guess.

Benoit · 2009-05-20, 09:14

Thank you DragoonKain3. Mauru, I was talking about Rhapsody DS. I'm wondering if whoever published the game in the PAL region bothered to fix the glitches, though. It happens that PAL region releases have fixed bugs.

Crimrui · 2009-05-20, 10:54

Never played anything regarding these series. It looks pretty cool on images and trailers and with small number of games coming out on ps2 I'll probably get this.

Mauru · 2009-05-20, 20:31

I know Diana because of videos and the like.

Mauru · 2009-12-04, 14:33

Front Page Updated.

MushroomSamba · 2009-12-04, 15:17

Wow, thanks for the info there, Mauru. This game is officially on my radar now. I absolutely love SRPGs, but the whole "dating sim" component is a bit of a turn off for me. I can barely stand the amount of moe in anime these days, and I'll be damned if I have to tolerate that stuff in my videogames now as well. And the English VA narrator for the trailer grated on my nerves. Not only was the voice super annoying, but why does she have a southern accent if they're based in NY?

Anyway, the battle gameplay seems fun enough for me to look into this further and possibly give it a rent. I really dug Valkyria Chronicles, and they seem to be of the same pedigree.

DingoEnderZOE2 · 2009-12-04, 15:24

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Originally Posted by MushroomSamba

Wow, thanks for the info there, Mauru. This game is officially on my radar now. I absolutely love SRPGs, but the whole "dating sim" component is a bit of a turn off for me. I can barely stand the amount of moe in anime these days, and I'll be damned if I have to tolerate that stuff in my videogames now as well. And the English VA narrator for the trailer grated on my nerves. Not only was the voice super annoying, but why does she have a southern accent if they're based in NY?

Believe me the dating sim aspect of the game isn't as bad as you're probably thinking, in fact it's quite light,casual and at certain occasions quite funny, don't knock it until you try it.

As for the English VA( narrator for the trailer, she had a Southern accent cause the character speaking is from Texas....People from Texas can live in NY.

As for me, as someone whos a long time fan of the games since the original and someone who had a hand in making a few translation guides for two of the games in the series, I plan on buying the game when it hits the states, after all it'll only cost 30 or 40 bucks. As big of a fan I am even I wouldn't spent 60 bucks on a PS2 title.

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Benoit Bishoujo Game Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Belgium Age: 38	I'm sorry, I don't want to buy a game riddled with glitches that weren't there in the original version. It's bad QA, and I won't be supporting this shoddyness with my precious money. __________________ SeaMonkey - surfing the net has never been so suite

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DingoEnderZOE2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohayo	I agree let's just wait and see how the game is when it comes out, Benoit as a fellow Bishoujo game fan, I thought you of all people wouldn't be so quick to jump to making rash decisions. __________________ Anime in progress and enjoying: Persona 4 the golden Animes on Hold:None Animes completed:I wanna be the strongest in the world,Super Sonico The Animation, Hajime no Ippo:Rising, Wake up girls,Mangaka-san to Assistant-san to The Animation Anime evaluating:None Manga in progress:None at the moment

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Benoit Bishoujo Game Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Belgium Age: 38	Thank you DragoonKain3. Mauru, I was talking about Rhapsody DS. I'm wondering if whoever published the game in the PAL region bothered to fix the glitches, though. It happens that PAL region releases have fixed bugs. __________________ SeaMonkey - surfing the net has never been so suite

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Crimrui Hollow Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mecha cockpit	Never played anything regarding these series. It looks pretty cool on images and trailers and with small number of games coming out on ps2 I'll probably get this. __________________

2009-05-16, 18:50	Link #41
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Why do you guys think I'm still buying games from NISA despite my recent purchases from them are less than stellar? Because I still WANT these kind of games translated in English. I mean, I am one of the few people who mourned the loss of Working Designs. A lot of people don't particularly care about their translations (or to be more precise, how liberal they were at it), but hell, I was just grateful to have games such as Growlanser and Arc the Lad come over stateside. I wouldn't wish the same fate on NISA. That said, there is no excuse for the recent buggy games. They might still have my money, but despite how much money I spend on games, I'm still only one guy and I'm not nearly enough to keep them afloat. They have my support till the end, but I can't say the same for anyone else who's smarter than I am stubborn with my faith. All I'm saying is that if they want to still be in business, they better shape up or else, their reputation will catch up to them. Of course, they have a lot of time in their hands to fix their mistakes. And in making the public be more aware of their recent deficiencies, I hope it will encourage them not to make the same mistakes again. Goodness knows that even Atlus, my current favourite company, doesn't have a spot-free history... (Persona 1 missing a big chunk of content and only having the latter half of Persona 2, anyone?)

2009-05-18, 22:20	Link #43
Mauru Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Benoit, you shouldn't give up that easly.

2009-05-20, 00:14	Link #47
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Uhh, I was under the impression that Benoit was talking about Rhapsody DS, not Sakura Taisen V. Which I can understand his position... most people don't want to waste money on bad products. For the smart people (ie. people not like me), they should wait for STV's reviews before making a purchase. Not because of the score (which I think every RPG site would rate at least favourably), but whether or not bugs/glitches/slowdowns/untranslated text are present in game. As for me... pre-order day one, baby! (Man, I sometimes wonder if its people like me who encourage this kind of behaviour from the companies, since no matter how bad their product is, they know I'll still buy it... )

2009-05-20, 00:42	Link #49
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Nah, while it can be read that way, it still makes much more sense if he's talking about Rhapsody. 1) Last thing he specifically talked about is NOT BUYING Rhapsody DS 2) Benoit replied that he doesn't want a game that has glitches that werent in the original version 3) Rhapsody is a buggy game, while no one is sure what STV is 4) he said 'I won't be supporting shoddyness with my precious money', Going by 4 basically being the same as 1 in terms of action (not spending money), the most logical object (aka. 'this') would then be the same object that was in 1 (which is Rhapsody). This is further evidenced by 2 talking about a 'buggy game', in which we know from 3 is the Rhapsody is one. Not only that, but from 1 he already implied that the reason he won't be buying Rhapsody is because its buggy, which further reinforces that its Rhapsody and not Sakura Taisen V he's talking about. Of course, I hope I'm not putting words in Benoit's mouth. XD But yeah, if there's anything I learned in critical thinking classes, its to be charitable (ie. assume the person is smart rather than not). Goes a long way in avoiding strawman arguements, misinterpretations, and especially flame wars in other boards I frequent.

2009-05-20, 00:54	Link #51
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Nah. Critical Thinking classes + debating in shipping forums (of which can get really nasty, one of them was called the 'deathmarch thread' for crying out loud) has given me a lot of practice. Just like with any other skill, all it takes is just that.

2009-05-20, 20:31	Link #57
Mauru Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	I know Diana because of videos and the like.

2009-12-04, 14:33	Link #58
Mauru Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Front Page Updated.

2009-12-04, 15:17	Link #59
MushroomSamba Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 38	Wow, thanks for the info there, Mauru. This game is officially on my radar now. I absolutely love SRPGs, but the whole "dating sim" component is a bit of a turn off for me. I can barely stand the amount of moe in anime these days, and I'll be damned if I have to tolerate that stuff in my videogames now as well. And the English VA narrator for the trailer grated on my nerves. Not only was the voice super annoying, but why does she have a southern accent if they're based in NY? Anyway, the battle gameplay seems fun enough for me to look into this further and possibly give it a rent. I really dug Valkyria Chronicles, and they seem to be of the same pedigree. __________________