2011-08-19, 14:04 | Link #15921 | |
Kurumada's lost child
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I think people are still affected by Reagan's legacy who once said "Government is not part of the solution, it is part of the problem". |
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2011-08-19, 17:30 | Link #15922 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Regarding Equality, I think Gilbert and Sullivan said it best:
"When you have nothing else to wear, But cloth of gold and satins rare For cloth of gold you cease to care Up goes the price of shoddy!" and "In short whoever you may be To this conclusion you'll agree When everyone is somebody, Then no one's anybody!" If you look at it from a purely lifestyle perspective(not economic) and you exclude the very poorest and very richest, their isn't a huge difference in quality of life. |
2011-08-19, 17:39 | Link #15923 | |
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remark: evolution is to be understood as a broad concept here. Its not merely the natural evolution of things but also scientific and educational evolution.
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2011-08-19, 17:42 | Link #15924 |
Kurumada's lost child
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That's the thing, we are pushed to be "somebody". In reality to nature we are just a little speck of dust swimming floating in the winds of life. But us humans are disconnected from reality, we make up our own little worlds and we believe we are something special that lives separated from nature. Like I said before, you gotta thank the monetary system for encouraging wealth stratification.
The only thing that counts from us humans is that we live in accordance with the laws of nature and stop destroying the planet or the planet itself will squash us as if we were some annoying bug. When I am talking equality is about basic ethical concepts. You want to have the same opportunities as everyone else's. You are entitled to food, a roof over your head, education, a family. Your freedoms end when someone's else freedoms begin, the same goes for the environment you live in. If you want an homogeneous society you would have to clone everyone. Human beings as well as animals and plans all have their own individuality. But that individuality does not mean that you are set apart from nature. |
2011-08-19, 20:24 | Link #15925 | |
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What we want to think about is entirely our choice, why must we let other people's judgement force us to change our way and outlook of life? These people who force their ideas upon others for the sake of "conformity" are simply dogs who need to be collared and led around by someone.
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2011-08-19, 22:10 | Link #15926 |
Kurumada's lost child
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Forcing anybody to do or be something will never lead to anything positive. Force is suppression, and suppression creates pressure which always leads to an explosion. My beliefs or your beliefs don't matter to nature, the only thing nature cares about is its preservation. As long as your beliefs have something in common with the laws of nature you will be fine.
You can think whatever you want and shape those thoughts into reality so long as those actions do not obstruct the free will of others or harm the environment. What I am talking about is not a new found religion or about the Zeitgeist movement, it is just plain logical thinking. We are interconnected to nature and to our fellow human beings. Therefore, what you do onto others will have direct or indirect repercussions on you. When we divide ourselves into smaller factions or distribute the resources of this planet unequally, the whole planet suffers as a consequence. Therefore, circling back to my original point, thinking that material inequality between human beings is perfectly normal is not in accordance with the laws of nature. In fact, it is a delusion created by the market system and our inflated egos. As long as we keep thinking that way, due to logical reasons, we will continue to suffer the way we do. We all live in a world of fiction at one level or another, specially those who are in power, the powerful are by far the most deluded people in this world, they think they are above nature when they are just as insignificant as the rest of us. Unfortunately, those in power will always attempt to the medicate the symptoms instead of the root causes. One of the core beliefs of those who hold power or desire it, without exception, is believing that inequality is a perfectly normal state of nature. Why else do you think that Washington sucks in the first place? |
2011-08-19, 22:34 | Link #15927 |
This was meaningless
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I'd say that all these factions are indicative of the 'laws of nature'. Out in the wild do you ever see any other social creature create equal groups or equally distribute their food or resources between different social groups or even in the same group? You would be hard pressed to find human families who treat their cousins the same way they treat their siblings, or neighbors the way they treat their cousins. Because we are social we create social inequity. Social interaction itself is the giving and taking of trust (or deception) and ideas (or stupidity).
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2011-08-19, 22:34 | Link #15928 |
Knight Errant
Join Date: Dec 2007
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There has always been inequalities in human societies, there's always an in group and an outgroup.
But with the territory you're going into you should probably try reading Civilization and it's Discontents (Freud) |
2011-08-19, 22:36 | Link #15929 |
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Material inequality is normal. Physical resources are finite. They can never be anything but finite, unless you fancy violating the laws of physics. Only a strict imposed order or law could force material equality among a given population of humans.
I do hope that one day we progress past the point where it needs to be imposed, though. Wouldn't it be nice if we could simply come to complete consensus on all issues like the geth? I guess what Legion said is true--when you communicate at the speed of light, these things don't really take much time!
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2011-08-19, 22:43 | Link #15930 |
books-eater youkai
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Jobs, travel, biscuits: costs squeezed at Europe's banks
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77H00320110818
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2011-08-20, 01:28 | Link #15931 | |
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Hamas ends truce with Israel
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2011-08-20, 03:01 | Link #15932 |
Gamilas Falls
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And just about a month short of the Palastnian bid for statedom in the United Nations.
Sort of sad in a way. I wonder if the West Bank will join the fight or disown Hamas in favor of becoming a real country.
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2011-08-20, 04:14 | Link #15934 | |
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Those missile stories are just conveniently shifting the attention off the real problems. |
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2011-08-20, 04:28 | Link #15935 | |
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2011-08-20, 04:44 | Link #15936 | |
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which kinda negates those arguments. anyone who doesn't want to live in "a de-facto giant prison camp" or is unhappy with his unemployment rate and poverty situation due to the the "economy asphyxiated by a blockade" can simply leave. Gaza is a hornets nest of terrorist groups, each of whom has its own agenda and all of whom seeking to establish their own "power" by launching attacks at Israel (which also tends to get Hamas in trouble).
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2011-08-20, 04:47 | Link #15937 | |
I disagree with you all.
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There are consequences to our actions, that's all. But we aren't going to get smothered in volcanic ash because we kill all the pandas... or fail to turn to communism. |
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2011-08-20, 06:27 | Link #15938 | |||
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Israel may not have created this problem, but it certainly nurtured it and helped it grow. |
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2011-08-20, 06:30 | Link #15939 | |
Asuki-tan Kairin ↓
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There are places on this planet where typical western opportunities and lifestyles are not an option, people who are born there cannot break free easily.
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2011-08-20, 06:35 | Link #15940 |
Me, An Intellectual
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Yeah I don't think it's a simple as just 'can simply leave'. I've heard that most in Gaza are between 18 to 40 so atleast half of them would probably need visas. And it's only been less than three months since the border opened. There's probably a lot of factors involved. And even so, they're still not gonna give two shits about how big oil prices are in countries that are still far better off than them.
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