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Eratas123 · 2012-03-10, 09:56

Not sure if that's accurate to what I mean. Ichika's present (Canon verse) is completely different from all of the kids.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 09:57

1. The future version vanish, therefore, said person has no existence beyond the moment he went to the past (indirect loop)
2. The past version being overwritten by the future version, leading to eternal cycle and technically, immortality (direct loop)
Pick your poison

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-10, 09:58

What's worse? ground hog day loop where only you move forward while the rest of the world stays the same. Or the world moves forward but for you it's like the same day... forever.

Eratas123 · 2012-03-10, 10:04

@ Demi - Both suck . i'd either end he cycle or kill myself.

@ Senpai - I planned for Cloney's future version to be an antagonist. I was wondering if him telling his future "I'll never be you" will be enough to make him disappear.

HasuMasu · 2012-03-10, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Eratas123

Not sure if that's accurate to what I mean. Ichika's present (Canon verse) is completely different from all of the kids.

Yes I understand what you're talking about, which is why I said absolutely nothing will happen just by meeting your self.

Eratas123 · 2012-03-10, 10:12

Then I guess that makes the antagonist even more idiotic. He wants to kill Tabane so the bad future won't happen, but the version of Tabane he wants to kill won't do anything to change his future anyway. Too bad he doesn't listen

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 10:29

Eras, I though we agree that we're using multiverse theory? As in, Branching timeline. if O is canon, A being unified ending, and B being separate ending, both happens, just that the time travel creating ending A. What's more, there's a good chance that in ending A, Kazuma did not exist at all. Or he exist, but different Kazuma than B ending Kazuma, and so on....

(it would be funny if we have A side Kazuma & B side Kazuma though, or better, there's the worst future where he's pilot-killing terrorist, C side Kazuma. Yay for spotlight stealing

)

StratoSpear · 2012-03-10, 10:35

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Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Basically, what Eras said, anyone related to I.S.A. are absolutely, positively neutral except tfor their status as personal I.S. owner, and even then it was limited to data gathering and development. Hence Madoka Rescue plan is making me a headache, I can't find any loopholes.

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Originally Posted by Eratas123

Easy loophole: Don't do it legally. Remember, Ichika's not a rep candidate yet, but he still has a personal unit. They can't arrest him because he didn't break any rules. He fought for no country, and he isn't a rep so he actions can't be credited.

So anyone with a personal unit can act on their own as long as it's not written in black and white?(aka unofficial)

Even through the novels(which I decided to segregate the plot from), I'm still a wee bit confused as to what Personals can/cannot do, especially if Cecilia is the one in question.

Eratas123 · 2012-03-10, 10:42

@ Senpai - Past Kazuma and Future Kazuma are from the same time branch. When Tabane accidentally tool the kid back, he branched off and became separate. Unfortunately, Future!K also got taken when he got sucked into a portal, so now there's two versions of the same in the canon timeline. If past dies, the future might die as well, but it's uncertain since they're not in their own time branch.

@ Stratos - I meant Ichika couldn't be areested on the same accounts as the others and Japan would most likely give him special treatment.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 11:04

Inami is a staff of I.S.A. even though he own a personal unit, any interference he did is I.S.A. doing, Cecilia could do it on personal level, however she's using I.S. of Britain, and also a cadet rep of Britain, her interference is equal to interference by Britain.

Ichika is normal Japanese by account, and his I.S. are either designed, made, or completed by Tabane specifically for him. His action is completely on individual basis.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 11:08

Even then, think like this: Inami did his interference, everybody blames I.S.A., while in the case of Cecilia, I.S.A. can blame Britain as a whole.

In case of Ichika, Ichika is alone to blame.

StratoSpear · 2012-03-10, 11:22

That's easier to understand

So Ichika's completely clean from any sorts of international repercussions, pilot-wise and unit-wise.

Cecilia's actions still affects Britian due to her Rep status and her IS unit.

Inami's actions affects ISA due to instructor status but his personal unit is unlisted(because it's not an IS) and has a full headgear which conceals his identity.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 11:42

Indeed, exactly what I meant, punishment will still wait for him since once again, he is part of I.S.A. and he already broke their no-interference rules

Going to sleep.

StratoSpear · 2012-03-10, 11:51

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Originally Posted by ZeroXSEED

Indeed, exactly what I meant, punishment will still wait for him since once again, he is part of I.S.A. and he already broke their no-interference rules

Going to sleep.

But then again, his unit has a full-cover headgear that conceals his identity. Not only that, his unit is unlisted.

So if he goes out, no one knows who's behind the helmet so they can't pin the blame on anyone but the unit.

I just can't see how he would be flakked on an international scale as his identity as the Proioxis' pilot is only made known to a certain few in the ISA.

Unless you're saying they'll punish him in private, then I agree. Because not only he broke non-interference rules, he risked blowing his cover(in the case that his headgear comes off... somehow), which would've meant endless flak for the ISA.

On a side note, is the Uchigane's katana covered with anti-beam/energy coating? Or do they have another form of protection when going up against melee beam weaponry?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 12:04

First, yes, I was talking about private punishment.

Second, no explanation in canon, it doesn't even have special feature or anything (high frequency, superheating blade etc). All it does is holding off against Yukihira, implying resistance to extremely high temperature plasma or some sort of anti-beam mechanism. It's really up to your choice. :3

StratoSpear · 2012-03-10, 12:08

Swee~!

Seeing as how magical the IS is, anti-beam coating on physical melee weapons should be present albeit on a stronger scale.

And yes, private punishment it is.

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-10, 22:25

Has anyone tried tuning up the whole casts' quirks up to eleven!?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-03-10, 22:27

Nah, I hate their characterization more often than not, and just use the key elements then deconstruct it.

demino_hellsin · 2012-03-10, 22:29

I think they have interesting quirks... only for the sake of convenient Orimura pheremone, the original archetypes were derailed.

StratoSpear · 2012-03-10, 22:30

I didn't quite get what you meant there, demi.

2012-03-10, 09:56	Link #25301
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Not sure if that's accurate to what I mean. Ichika's present (Canon verse) is completely different from all of the kids. __________________

2012-03-10, 09:57	Link #25302
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	1. The future version vanish, therefore, said person has no existence beyond the moment he went to the past (indirect loop) 2. The past version being overwritten by the future version, leading to eternal cycle and technically, immortality (direct loop) Pick your poison __________________

2012-03-10, 10:04	Link #25304
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Demi - Both suck . i'd either end he cycle or kill myself. @ Senpai - I planned for Cloney's future version to be an antagonist. I was wondering if him telling his future "I'll never be you" will be enough to make him disappear. __________________

2012-03-10, 10:12	Link #25306
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Then I guess that makes the antagonist even more idiotic. He wants to kill Tabane so the bad future won't happen, but the version of Tabane he wants to kill won't do anything to change his future anyway. Too bad he doesn't listen __________________

2012-03-10, 10:29	Link #25307
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Eras, I though we agree that we're using multiverse theory? As in, Branching timeline. if O is canon, A being unified ending, and B being separate ending, both happens, just that the time travel creating ending A. What's more, there's a good chance that in ending A, Kazuma did not exist at all. Or he exist, but different Kazuma than B ending Kazuma, and so on.... (it would be funny if we have A side Kazuma & B side Kazuma though, or better, there's the worst future where he's pilot-killing terrorist, C side Kazuma. Yay for spotlight stealing ) __________________

2012-03-10, 09:58	Link #25303
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	What's worse? ground hog day loop where only you move forward while the rest of the world stays the same. Or the world moves forward but for you it's like the same day... forever.

2012-03-10, 10:42	Link #25309
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	@ Senpai - Past Kazuma and Future Kazuma are from the same time branch. When Tabane accidentally tool the kid back, he branched off and became separate. Unfortunately, Future!K also got taken when he got sucked into a portal, so now there's two versions of the same in the canon timeline. If past dies, the future might die as well, but it's uncertain since they're not in their own time branch. @ Stratos - I meant Ichika couldn't be areested on the same accounts as the others and Japan would most likely give him special treatment. __________________

2012-03-10, 11:04	Link #25310
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Inami is a staff of I.S.A. even though he own a personal unit, any interference he did is I.S.A. doing, Cecilia could do it on personal level, however she's using I.S. of Britain, and also a cadet rep of Britain, her interference is equal to interference by Britain. Ichika is normal Japanese by account, and his I.S. are either designed, made, or completed by Tabane specifically for him. His action is completely on individual basis. __________________

2012-03-10, 11:08	Link #25311
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Even then, think like this: Inami did his interference, everybody blames I.S.A., while in the case of Cecilia, I.S.A. can blame Britain as a whole. In case of Ichika, Ichika is alone to blame. __________________

2012-03-10, 11:22	Link #25312
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	That's easier to understand So Ichika's completely clean from any sorts of international repercussions, pilot-wise and unit-wise. Cecilia's actions still affects Britian due to her Rep status and her IS unit. Inami's actions affects ISA due to instructor status but his personal unit is unlisted(because it's not an IS) and has a full headgear which conceals his identity. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-03-10, 11:42	Link #25313
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Indeed, exactly what I meant, punishment will still wait for him since once again, he is part of I.S.A. and he already broke their no-interference rules Going to sleep. __________________

2012-03-10, 12:04	Link #25315
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	First, yes, I was talking about private punishment. Second, no explanation in canon, it doesn't even have special feature or anything (high frequency, superheating blade etc). All it does is holding off against Yukihira, implying resistance to extremely high temperature plasma or some sort of anti-beam mechanism. It's really up to your choice. :3 __________________

2012-03-10, 12:08	Link #25316
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Swee~! Seeing as how magical the IS is, anti-beam coating on physical melee weapons should be present albeit on a stronger scale. And yes, private punishment it is. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-03-10, 22:25	Link #25317
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Has anyone tried tuning up the whole casts' quirks up to eleven!?

2012-03-10, 22:27	Link #25318
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Nah, I hate their characterization more often than not, and just use the key elements then deconstruct it. __________________

2012-03-10, 22:29	Link #25319
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I think they have interesting quirks... only for the sake of convenient Orimura pheremone, the original archetypes were derailed.

2012-03-10, 22:30	Link #25320
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	I didn't quite get what you meant there, demi. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."