2006-04-13, 18:45 | Link #41 |
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We make war so we may live in peace, as the old saying goes. War is simply a clash between ideals, I think I'm right in taking this piece of land from you, you think that it is wrong and we duke it out to see who is right. We express our different ideals through fighting and in turn express our indiviudality.
That said, Zeon did break the Antartic treaty by trying to nuke odessa, in the end a treaty is nothing more then ink on a page if you have the power to resist retrubution for breaking that treaty. But war isn't so bad, it does propel us technologically forward, like WWI and WWII did. We just have to find a better way to kill each other during the war and turn that tec for civilian use after it.
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2006-04-13, 18:59 | Link #42 |
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and we must pick our wars.
a war in its sense is a form of art, it expresses ones emotions if u go out and kill ppl for no reason thats no war zeon killed ppl because it had a vision can u call them evil for having a vision, and a lack of morals? or better yet, a lack of sympathy? |
2006-04-13, 19:13 | Link #43 |
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you can call hitler in having a vision, was he insane yes, do any normal people have sympathy for the likes of him I'd say no. Saying I have a vision of a world ruled they Aslyan's does not mean others cannot blame you for your actions. Can we call Hitler evil, most would say hell yeah, and Zeon is no better then him if not worse because he at least did not kill people in the billions.
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2006-04-13, 19:24 | Link #47 |
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The Federation also broke the antarctic treaty by violating the neutrality of side 6 (The Riah Republic), so you can't really claim that it's just the Zeon.
Before the war, Zeon aided the Riah republic in seeking independence through raids on Federation ships and so on. The Federation responded by making sure the other sides couldn't break away. During the OYW, Zeon made the later Titans look gun-shy. However, in a sense, this was really the only option they had open to them. The Federation was garrisoning colonies all over to prevent them from rebelling, while massing military forces at a much higher rate than Zeon could hope to match (30x the resources). Additionally, Zeon was denied some resources which could not be gotten from mining asteroids via the economic blockade placed upon the Republic of Zeon almost immediately upon formation. What can they do when an obviously hostile Federation is massing forces and trying to choke the Zeon economy? They lashed out in the most horrific way they possibly could. They gassed the Federation garrisons at all of the colonies they could reach, the colonists were "collateral damage". They fought the Federation to a standstill with inferior numbers through their willingness to do anything to win. And they invaded earth to get the resources they needed, as well as to make the Federation collapse. The Federation are commonly portrayed as the good guys, but they have an equal hand in everything that happened by forcing the situation in the first place. If we're going to stick with WW2 analogies, the Federation is the League of Nations putting huge penalties on the German nation after WW1. It crushed their economy and set the scene for a charismatic leader like Hitler to assume power in the first place. Hitler is directly responsible for many of the horrific things that happened during WW2, but the treaty of Versailles is also to blame for spawning him in the first place. I find the Federation much more contemptible than Zeon, because they are so disgustingly complacent after the OYW ends. They never learn from their mistakes, they just repeat them over and over. They don't serve the people they're supposed to, they act to suppress them and to maintain their own (the Federation elite) power. Londo Bell is just a less extreme version of the Titans, but it has the same function. By the later wars, the corruption and complacency in the Federation has turned it into a mere shell. |
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but really i liked oz :P is there a place for good ol oz ^^;; but on topic; zeon just went about worng with its goals |
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2006-04-13, 19:50 | Link #49 | |
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Have you even watched MSG? Zeon consider themselves superior and others inferior, they have plenty of predjudice against the earthlings, thats why they call them the earth born elits weither they are wealth or not. And Hitlers motatives is winning the war, more living space for the superior race was his intention, as far as his troops go, they kill Americans, Russians and British alike, how is that predjudice? As for Zeon's goals, its wrong to start with, complete dominace of the earth sphere, that I believe includes earth itself in the end thats called dictatorship. And the federation broke the treaty after zeon, if the other side does not follow the treaty why should you?
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2006-04-13, 19:53 | Link #50 | |
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thats wut those camps were... |
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2006-04-13, 19:59 | Link #53 |
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You are more deluded then I thought if you think numbers means nothing, the dead remains dead, different intent or not, several more billion dead means that much more families destroyed, happiness, dreams, futures gone. Plus Zeons intent is not that different from hitlers, and those colonist died pretty horrible death through gass.
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True indeed but Earth's failure to ultimately not reconize zeon as independant was wrong as well. When It comes down to it both parties are equally wrong I belive. |
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2006-04-13, 20:12 | Link #59 |
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The Gryps conflict severely weakened the Earth Federation which Neo-Zeon would later take advantage of. By the end of Char's counterattack, pretty much all conflict had been eradicated with Zeon rejoining the Federation. By this time they enter a generation of peace.
The Federation did their best to keep onto things (Specifically creating Londo Bell which was based on the Titans but in a more humane way). By the time of F91, the Federation had already entered into a state of stagnation and required militias to do the fighting for them. Their arrogant leadership didn't make things better either. Eitherway, the Federation has its up and downs (Like any other nation would) but they manage to keep the peace and stability up until they start to decline. |
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