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StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 20:31

Prime reference for Tsurugi's eventual IS:

Granted it will be alot more streamlined and she gets a longsword + six wing bits instead of the rifle and the tri-barreled arm cannon.

Inami's Minerva Noa looks identical but he gets the rifle and arm cannon AND a longsword as well. (Noa is meant to be a guardian unit to Tsurugi's IS which would explain it sporting more weapons)

Strigon 13 · 2013-02-27, 20:57

Soo... I'm almost done with the prologue of my ff, only need to finish the middle of the chapter. It is a somewhat of an action prologue set in the near future on a post apocaliptic world.
Maybe in a day or two i'll publish the prologue on FF.net.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 21:25

@ Stratos
I'm inspired by that too, but not in appearance, more performance and style

It's full armor and quite large, but most of the bulk is fuel tank, thruster, and battery. Can be jettisoned to reveal a fairly smallish I.S. (so the large body is actually a [Fortress])

@ Strigon
Congrats

But I'm interested, what kind of post-apocalyptic? the kind of "We're recovering" or "It'll always get worse" type?

StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 21:31

The appearance would be similar since it has the necessary vernier placements for zero-g movement :P

As for the Fortress, sorta like the Huckebein's Boxer armor albeit fully covered?

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 21:46

Yeah, the definition is "Full body external attachment that boost the original unit's battle capabilities to much greater degree". The principle of fortress is bigger stick, basically the equivalent of Mobile Armor.

Of course this means no arena fighting, suck at CQC, and visible trail of logistic (no free fuel or material, lotsa repair and spare parts etc).

On the left is the real I.S. under the fortress, notice the similar-looking floating thruster

Strigon 13 · 2013-02-27, 22:04

@zero

The type of "the world is FUBAR", with emphasis on the F

Also, very nice design. I made one too for my ff on sketchup. But is more than several parts joined together than a real thing.

StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 22:05

It's like alternating between Super Robot and Real Robot given the differences in the IS and the Fortress' appearance.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 22:18

@ Strigon
Well, if it's anyone who can draw well (instead of messy sketch full of mistake) it's stratos, I think he had a deviantart page. By sketchup, did you mean it's 3D? Awesome

"Shit broke the ceiling at escape velocity" type then.

@ Stratos
Indeed, and even more SRW-like that some of the fortress are larger than resident 'true' (=most cliched) super robot, itself OUTSTRIP golem in raw power and defense, if as slow as walking brick.

Then again, by that point the protagonist is far outnumbered and outgunned, with the enemy mooks, knockoff grunt suit aside, not necessarily less skilled...

StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 22:27

Speaking of knockoffs, having an IS and non-IS sharing identical appearances would probably cause some implications. Then again, its like a jab in the blurred difference between the two especially when both units, despite having different weapons, can dish out just similar offensive firepower individually.

I forgot what was my initial reason for having Inami and Tsurugi's units look the same but I'll definitely find another, hopefully better one. :P

DarkJak2050 · 2013-02-27, 22:30

Wish I can draw...

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 22:33

@ Stratos
There are two camps of understanding the distinction, this is because the usual canon inconsistencies (or maybe both have their own points)

1. Core provided 90% of ability, the frame only 'shape it out'. In this case, everything from PIC to barrier to crazy-ass weaponry is only an extension of the core, and will not work without core.
2. Core only provide electrical and computer processing power, plus quantum storage (+ parts regeneration and evolution). Everything else is pure handcrafted technology.

The second camp means if you can replace the core, the frame will work. How good is depending on the substitute of course (think your old idea for the battle Armors)

StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 22:34

@Jak
Well, the one I posted isn't really mine.

That's the Weissritter Abend. (Holding the Oxtongue Rifle which is the primary inspiration for the Noa's "Stout Rifle" in the Athena-verse)

@Zero
All borks down to the Core. Though in-story it would cause alot of confusion for the characters... unless they're quick enough to notice the different armaments on both units.

DarkJak2050 · 2013-02-27, 23:01

[Sighs]

Still got those sketches on the Minerva?

StratoSpear · 2013-02-27, 23:07

All here:

http://stratospear.deviantart.com/gallery/

Though just FYI, all of them are concepts and none actually reflects the appearance of the Minerva in the ongoing story.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 23:20

In mine, any 'knockoff' is basically a frame produced enmasse, then have a substitute unit put inside instead of I.S. core.

There's at least three kind of knockoff that will appear, with distinction basically boils down to retard zombie, degenerate clone, and nonsentient body (context related)

Oh, and because scale of economy, the result doesn't necessarily weaker either. Most frames are of similar quality, it's the core and pilot that made the difference.

DarkJak2050 · 2013-02-27, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratoSpear

All here:

http://stratospear.deviantart.com/gallery/

Though just FYI, all of them are concepts and none actually reflects the appearance of the Minerva in the ongoing story.

At least you can draw man...

Strigon 13 · 2013-02-27, 23:40

@jak

Agreed, I can't draw at all so i had to resort to Sketchup to make the models...

Anyway, on a related note the prologue is almost done, only 2 lines that are still trolling me because i don't know what to put on it... Nah, i'll continue tomorrow... I'm going to play lol

I have a question... what color are ichika's eyes? the anime & novel make things a little confusing

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-27, 23:46

It's either red or brown

EDIT: Chifuyu more or less the same

Strigon 13 · 2013-02-27, 23:52

mmm i'll take red. at least if in the anime is to be believed.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-02-28, 00:00

Oddly enough, while it's mostly red in the Tv, the blue ray made it consistently brown.

I still like red more still.

2013-02-27, 20:31	Link #40581
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Prime reference for Tsurugi's eventual IS: Granted it will be alot more streamlined and she gets a longsword + six wing bits instead of the rifle and the tri-barreled arm cannon. Inami's Minerva Noa looks identical but he gets the rifle and arm cannon AND a longsword as well. (Noa is meant to be a guardian unit to Tsurugi's IS which would explain it sporting more weapons) __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 21:25	Link #40583
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Stratos I'm inspired by that too, but not in appearance, more performance and style It's full armor and quite large, but most of the bulk is fuel tank, thruster, and battery. Can be jettisoned to reveal a fairly smallish I.S. (so the large body is actually a [Fortress]) @ Strigon Congrats But I'm interested, what kind of post-apocalyptic? the kind of "We're recovering" or "It'll always get worse" type? __________________

2013-02-27, 21:31	Link #40584
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	The appearance would be similar since it has the necessary vernier placements for zero-g movement :P As for the Fortress, sorta like the Huckebein's Boxer armor albeit fully covered? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 21:46	Link #40585
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Yeah, the definition is "Full body external attachment that boost the original unit's battle capabilities to much greater degree". The principle of fortress is bigger stick, basically the equivalent of Mobile Armor. Of course this means no arena fighting, suck at CQC, and visible trail of logistic (no free fuel or material, lotsa repair and spare parts etc). On the left is the real I.S. under the fortress, notice the similar-looking floating thruster __________________

2013-02-27, 22:05	Link #40587
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	It's like alternating between Super Robot and Real Robot given the differences in the IS and the Fortress' appearance. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 20:57	Link #40582
Strigon 13 Electrosphere Join Date: Mar 2011	Soo... I'm almost done with the prologue of my ff, only need to finish the middle of the chapter. It is a somewhat of an action prologue set in the near future on a post apocaliptic world. Maybe in a day or two i'll publish the prologue on FF.net.

2013-02-27, 22:04	Link #40586
Strigon 13 Electrosphere Join Date: Mar 2011	@zero The type of "the world is FUBAR", with emphasis on the F Also, very nice design. I made one too for my ff on sketchup. But is more than several parts joined together than a real thing.

2013-02-27, 22:18	Link #40588
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Strigon Well, if it's anyone who can draw well (instead of messy sketch full of mistake) it's stratos, I think he had a deviantart page. By sketchup, did you mean it's 3D? Awesome "Shit broke the ceiling at escape velocity" type then. @ Stratos Indeed, and even more SRW-like that some of the fortress are larger than resident 'true' (=most cliched) super robot, itself OUTSTRIP golem in raw power and defense, if as slow as walking brick. Then again, by that point the protagonist is far outnumbered and outgunned, with the enemy mooks, knockoff grunt suit aside, not necessarily less skilled... __________________

2013-02-27, 22:27	Link #40589
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Speaking of knockoffs, having an IS and non-IS sharing identical appearances would probably cause some implications. Then again, its like a jab in the blurred difference between the two especially when both units, despite having different weapons, can dish out just similar offensive firepower individually. I forgot what was my initial reason for having Inami and Tsurugi's units look the same but I'll definitely find another, hopefully better one. :P __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 22:30	Link #40590
DarkJak2050 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Wish I can draw...

2013-02-27, 22:33	Link #40591
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Stratos There are two camps of understanding the distinction, this is because the usual canon inconsistencies (or maybe both have their own points) 1. Core provided 90% of ability, the frame only 'shape it out'. In this case, everything from PIC to barrier to crazy-ass weaponry is only an extension of the core, and will not work without core. 2. Core only provide electrical and computer processing power, plus quantum storage (+ parts regeneration and evolution). Everything else is pure handcrafted technology. The second camp means if you can replace the core, the frame will work. How good is depending on the substitute of course (think your old idea for the battle Armors) __________________

2013-02-27, 22:34	Link #40592
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	@Jak Well, the one I posted isn't really mine. That's the Weissritter Abend. (Holding the Oxtongue Rifle which is the primary inspiration for the Noa's "Stout Rifle" in the Athena-verse) @Zero All borks down to the Core. Though in-story it would cause alot of confusion for the characters... unless they're quick enough to notice the different armaments on both units. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 23:01	Link #40593
DarkJak2050 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	[Sighs] Still got those sketches on the Minerva?

2013-02-27, 23:07	Link #40594
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	All here: http://stratospear.deviantart.com/gallery/ Though just FYI, all of them are concepts and none actually reflects the appearance of the Minerva in the ongoing story. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-02-27, 23:20	Link #40595
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	In mine, any 'knockoff' is basically a frame produced enmasse, then have a substitute unit put inside instead of I.S. core. There's at least three kind of knockoff that will appear, with distinction basically boils down to retard zombie, degenerate clone, and nonsentient body (context related) Oh, and because scale of economy, the result doesn't necessarily weaker either. Most frames are of similar quality, it's the core and pilot that made the difference. __________________

2013-02-27, 23:40	Link #40597
Strigon 13 Electrosphere Join Date: Mar 2011	@jak Agreed, I can't draw at all so i had to resort to Sketchup to make the models... Anyway, on a related note the prologue is almost done, only 2 lines that are still trolling me because i don't know what to put on it... Nah, i'll continue tomorrow... I'm going to play lol I have a question... what color are ichika's eyes? the anime & novel make things a little confusing

2013-02-27, 23:46	Link #40598
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	It's either red or brown EDIT: Chifuyu more or less the same __________________

2013-02-27, 23:52	Link #40599
Strigon 13 Electrosphere Join Date: Mar 2011	mmm i'll take red. at least if in the anime is to be believed.

2013-02-28, 00:00	Link #40600
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Oddly enough, while it's mostly red in the Tv, the blue ray made it consistently brown. I still like red more still. __________________