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tyranuus · 2010-06-12, 16:51

Lawrence is wrapped around Holo's little finger (well when it comes to important things), I can't blame the guy at all. Besides, I think by the end of the series 2, he's got to the point where he has accepted and knows how he feels about Holo, he doesn't care anymore. Sometimes there can be all the niggles in the world, but if you know what's important to you, everything else pales in comparison

BashZeStampeedo · 2010-06-12, 21:16

Yeah, Amarti is written well enough to guarantee you'll hate him on some level. He contrasts in an epic way with Lawrence, so much so that I found it disconcerting that Horo didn't immediately leap into Lawrence's arms when that story-arc concluded (even the girl in my anime club who's most like Horo said she probably would have done so).

It amuses me that Lawrence, a guy that's slow on the uptake, was the one to figure things out and accept them before Horo did. Now she's stuck with him. Problem is, around someone like Horo all your worst character flaws are magnified tenfold.. it's a wonder Lawrence has survived this far, given that his worst traits include "selflessness". Horo still seems to think she can change that aspect of him or something, so I fancy his odds of surviving this story are pretty low.. especially given how he has a similar effect on Horo (though it's far less pronounced). But that's half the fun in the game of love isn't it?

Rajura · 2010-06-12, 21:44

First to figure it out... mmm... maybe maybe not... they both seemed to have felt that spark relatively quickly (given the intimacy they were thrust into and their constant flirting... you do that degree of flirting with the same person, you're either gonna fall in love with each other, one of you is gonna get lovesick, or one of you is gonna weird out the other).
First to accept it... absolutely... he may be inept around a beautiful woman, but he does seem to be a hopeless romantic and his selflessness will do more to keep a relationship viable than all the money and cunning in the world... and of course, Holo is just plain stubborn and proud. I mean come on, falling for a mere human, what does that say of the name Wisewolf?

BashZeStampeedo · 2010-06-12, 23:12

I meant realizing and accepting that she's in love with HIM, actually.

Spoiler:

charizardpal · 2010-06-13, 01:50

I just finished volume two in English. Took me all day to read it, and I've got to say that...

Spoiler for volume 2:

tyranuus · 2010-06-13, 07:00

Can't say I've read volume 4 yet, but I can believe it. Much as Holo is proud, intelligent and many other things all at once, she's also emotional and pretty complicated. Plus she's some form of spirit or god, with a lifespan of over five centuries as it stands, along with here streaks of loneliness, betrayal and abandonment,which means she's bound to have a few skeletons in the closet.
Much as Lawrence is relatively inept with woman, he doesn't have the same level of complications on his side and he's more sentimental and romantic at heart than most in his line of profession, it was likely always going to take Holo longer to accept everything.

I think she caught on to the way things were going and started to become more attached relatively early on herself, otherwise she wouldn't have been so hurt by Lawrence's initial reaction to her wolf form in Pazzio (which you can't entirely blame on Lawrence, much as he hated himself for it, based on his past experience), after all she had been experiencing that for hundreds of years. Even by the end of volume 2 there were been a few further points of emotional vulnerability, where Holo wanted to hear that she was important to him, regardless of anything everything else, just as a person. (The 'Who's name did you call?' scene being the most obvious, Holo's sudden loss of nerve, and then anger at his non-comittal answer being pretty telling)
Now, whether she admit that, or what it meant, to herself or not, it does show the relationship deepening, and from my estimates and memories, the end of volume 2 is probably a month to two months after they met at most. However even with these early steps, it only really sunk in for her later, both in terms of mutual feelings and also just how attached they both were to each other. Lawrence is sentimental and it still look him some time to recognise how he felt. Originally it was just a business and companionship agreement for both of them, but then it deepened as they came to appreciate and get to know the other.

I'm just forward to seeing it all mature and slowly resolve. We know she's finally said 'it' back to Lawrence from one of the recent Japanese releases, so there's no real danger on that side of things.
<Wish the translated volumes would get released faster, its going to be killer waiting for 12+ more novels at 6 months a pop>

In fact in a way, its kinda sweet and very human that the more intelligent and perceptive, supposedly more mature, much older character in the relationship, is also the one that takes longer to come to terms with everything!

@Charizardpal

Spoiler:

SakuraAyanami · 2010-06-17, 03:07

because vol 13 & 14 were mention it got me thinking that I have no idea of what happens after vol 7 I just completely forgot for some reason .__. and yet at the same time I remember that I read about it somewhere deep in this threat...

Ichihara Asako · 2010-06-18, 08:12

My vol1 arrived today (a full month earlier than Amazon ETA!) but no original art dust jacket. Makes me sad.

Rajura · 2010-06-18, 08:26

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Originally Posted by Ichihara Asako

My vol1 arrived today (a full month earlier than Amazon ETA!) but no original art dust jacket. Makes me sad.

Yeah sorry to hear that... that offer was limited (grrrrrrrrr) and was available only through purchase of a particular issue of Yen's magazine (in an attempt to right their EPIC FAIL of a wrong), buying from specific online retailers such as Right Stuf (which only had the cover in limited supply as well), or winning Yen's weekly online contest a few months back. I was fortunate that RS still had it when I was able to finally order it!

Bottom line, I'm sorry you weren't able to get it, but they may re-release it in the manner they are doing them now fairly soon, so keep your eyes peeled. Also, I know it's mainly hardcore fans that'll have it and probably not be willing to relinquish it, but keep an eye out on ebay or amazon for individuals sellers who may have the dust jacketed version!

SakuraAyanami · 2010-06-24, 20:28

well for what I can see, Right Stuf still has the dust cover for vol. 1 because they haven't change the message about it:

"While supplies last, customers ordering this novel will receive both Spice and Wolf novel 1 and a limited-edition dust jacket, which features the original Japanese manga-style artwork!"

Then again I don't know how dedicated their html editor is to the page itself or if they plan to notify when their supply is out of stock.

Rajura · 2010-06-25, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by SakuraAyanami

well for what I can see, Right Stuf still has the dust cover for vol. 1 because they haven't change the message about it:

"While supplies last, customers ordering this novel will receive both Spice and Wolf novel 1 and a limited-edition dust jacket, which features the original Japanese manga-style artwork!"

Then again I don't know how dedicated their html editor is to the page itself or if they plan to notify when their supply is out of stock.

Just email customer service... they got back right with me when I ordered mine way back when!

SakuraAyanami · 2010-06-26, 07:34

Well that's nice to know. I wonder why I didn't thought about it myself (hehe maybe because I rarely shop online).... Still, it would be nice that they edited the page itself if they don't have the merchandise anymore because for what I can see, the message about the dust cover its the same from the time I order the first volume way back in january

Rajura · 2010-06-26, 19:48

Well, good luck whatever you decide.

I know I'd buy a re-release that had the cover and DJ reversed... but then again, we've already beaten THAT topic into the ground!

tyranuus · 2010-06-27, 13:48

Im sure you'll enjoy the contents regardless of the cover (hell I've got two copies one without and one with, and it doesnt change the book itself

)

Rajura · 2010-06-27, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyranuus

Im sure you'll enjoy the contents regardless of the cover (hell I've got two copies one without and one with, and it doesnt change the book itself

)

Let the "horse-whipping" begin! Hahahahahaha! I'm kidding of course, Tyr.

Tyr is right, don't let the lack of original art DJ stop you from getting it!

Vexx · 2010-06-29, 22:23

Latest release schedule for the light novel series:

SPICE AND WOLF Volume 1 | December 2009
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 2 | Coming June 2010
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 3 | Coming December 2010
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 4 | Coming June 2011
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 5 | Coming December 2011
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 6 | Coming June 2012

Yen Press news and product link: http://yenpress.us/spice-and-wolf-novel/

SakuraAyanami · 2010-06-30, 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

Latest release schedule for the light novel series:

SPICE AND WOLF Volume 1 | December 2009
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 2 | Coming June 2010
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 3 | Coming December 2010
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 4 | Coming June 2011
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 5 | Coming December 2011
SPICE AND WOLF Volume 6 | Coming June 2012

Yen Press news and product link: http://yenpress.us/spice-and-wolf-novel/

well f... in other words we'll have to wait until June 2016 to reach vol 14 IF it does not get cancel........ just great

Vexx · 2010-06-30, 00:28

yeah... so far Yen has been reliable, but we've seen how that can change in the industry over a few years.

Rajura · 2010-06-30, 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

yeah... so far Yen has been reliable, but we've seen how that can change in the industry over a few years.

Well, people who enjoy the story have just gotta continue to show there is a market for it. If sales remain strong and the reader base continues to grow, the Eng. ver. of the series should see it way through to the end.

tyranuus · 2010-06-30, 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SakuraAyanami

well f... in other words we'll have to wait until June 2016 to reach vol 14 IF it does not get cancel........ just great

Tell me about it, I sent a long email to hachette, yens parent company about this a few months ago. Gonna be a tough wait.

2010-06-12, 16:51	Link #1061
tyranuus Team Spice and Wolf UK Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Age: 36	Lawrence is wrapped around Holo's little finger (well when it comes to important things), I can't blame the guy at all. Besides, I think by the end of the series 2, he's got to the point where he has accepted and knows how he feels about Holo, he doesn't care anymore. Sometimes there can be all the niggles in the world, but if you know what's important to you, everything else pales in comparison <Well almost haha> __________________ Total Anime watched= Enough. What can I say? I'm a convert... *** PRAY FOR SPICE AND WOLF III and faster Yenpress novel releases! Reading: None at the moment

2010-06-12, 21:44	Link #1063
Rajura My wolfu is >> your waifu Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Age: 42	First to figure it out... mmm... maybe maybe not... they both seemed to have felt that spark relatively quickly (given the intimacy they were thrust into and their constant flirting... you do that degree of flirting with the same person, you're either gonna fall in love with each other, one of you is gonna get lovesick, or one of you is gonna weird out the other). First to accept it... absolutely... he may be inept around a beautiful woman, but he does seem to be a hopeless romantic and his selflessness will do more to keep a relationship viable than all the money and cunning in the world... and of course, Holo is just plain stubborn and proud. I mean come on, falling for a mere human, what does that say of the name Wisewolf? __________________ Primary Faith: Christianity Secondary Faith: Holoism

2010-06-12, 23:12	Link #1064
BashZeStampeedo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada	I meant realizing and accepting that she's in love with HIM, actually. Spoiler: It seems pretty obvious to everyone but Lawrence that he's got a thing for her right away, and that he's probably in love with her by the end of episode 6.. let alone his confused actions up until it hits him like a ton of bricks during the "Amarti arc". Horo's irrational actions in volume 5 imply that she wants to chase him away - possibly for HIS sake more than her own - but she seems just as confused as he was in volume 3. He gives her space to figure things out, but clearly knows she's in love with him.. otherwise he wouldn't behave with the confidence he shows. I think he's figured it all out after their "supper" with the youths in volume 4, and it's also when she starts to run away from the possibility as well. Could be wrong, but it's somehow fun to analyze it so why not Last edited by BashZeStampeedo; 2010-06-14 at 08:28. Reason: Probably should use a spoiler tag, thanks Rajura!

2010-06-13, 01:50	Link #1065
charizardpal 灼眼の Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Look up. I am hanging from your celing	I just finished volume two in English. Took me all day to read it, and I've got to say that... Spoiler for volume 2: sometimes I felt like the Holo from volume 2 was a bit inconsistant with the Holo from volume 1, as I remembered her. The author actually addressed that in his afterword, and I'm impressed with his modest honesty towards readers. All in all it was a good read imo, I can't believe that author was born in 1982...how many volumes has he written while I was still a B student?! __________________ 「心でなくちゃ、よく見えない。もののなかみは、目では見えない、ってこと。」

2010-06-13, 07:00	Link #1066
tyranuus Team Spice and Wolf UK Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Age: 36	Can't say I've read volume 4 yet, but I can believe it. Much as Holo is proud, intelligent and many other things all at once, she's also emotional and pretty complicated. Plus she's some form of spirit or god, with a lifespan of over five centuries as it stands, along with here streaks of loneliness, betrayal and abandonment,which means she's bound to have a few skeletons in the closet. Much as Lawrence is relatively inept with woman, he doesn't have the same level of complications on his side and he's more sentimental and romantic at heart than most in his line of profession, it was likely always going to take Holo longer to accept everything. I think she caught on to the way things were going and started to become more attached relatively early on herself, otherwise she wouldn't have been so hurt by Lawrence's initial reaction to her wolf form in Pazzio (which you can't entirely blame on Lawrence, much as he hated himself for it, based on his past experience), after all she had been experiencing that for hundreds of years. Even by the end of volume 2 there were been a few further points of emotional vulnerability, where Holo wanted to hear that she was important to him, regardless of anything everything else, just as a person. (The 'Who's name did you call?' scene being the most obvious, Holo's sudden loss of nerve, and then anger at his non-comittal answer being pretty telling) Now, whether she admit that, or what it meant, to herself or not, it does show the relationship deepening, and from my estimates and memories, the end of volume 2 is probably a month to two months after they met at most. However even with these early steps, it only really sunk in for her later, both in terms of mutual feelings and also just how attached they both were to each other. Lawrence is sentimental and it still look him some time to recognise how he felt. Originally it was just a business and companionship agreement for both of them, but then it deepened as they came to appreciate and get to know the other. I'm just forward to seeing it all mature and slowly resolve. We know she's finally said 'it' back to Lawrence from one of the recent Japanese releases, so there's no real danger on that side of things. <Wish the translated volumes would get released faster, its going to be killer waiting for 12+ more novels at 6 months a pop> In fact in a way, its kinda sweet and very human that the more intelligent and perceptive, supposedly more mature, much older character in the relationship, is also the one that takes longer to come to terms with everything! @Charizardpal Spoiler: I'll agree there were moments like that, but as you say the author pretty much admitted it's because he was amazed at the success of the book and series, and almost had to start again when it came to season 2 because he'd kinda forgotten quite how the characters were personified. That said, the fact its on what, book 13/14 in Japan and still selling well, the fact that the second season rolled round based on 3 and 5, and the fact he admitted it in the afterword for this volume probably says a great deal about whether this was sorted or not in the later volumes I was also quite surprised about how young the author is, he's not even 5 years older than me, and most authors I've read tend to be in the 40s or later. I suppose the fact hes primarily writing books for the 15-25 year old age range does help though, as they're not AS complex as some of the other works out there. Good on him! __________________ Total Anime watched= Enough. What can I say? I'm a convert... *** PRAY FOR SPICE AND WOLF III and faster Yenpress novel releases! Reading: None at the moment Last edited by tyranuus; 2010-06-13 at 08:01.

2010-06-12, 21:16	Link #1062
BashZeStampeedo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada	Yeah, Amarti is written well enough to guarantee you'll hate him on some level. He contrasts in an epic way with Lawrence, so much so that I found it disconcerting that Horo didn't immediately leap into Lawrence's arms when that story-arc concluded (even the girl in my anime club who's most like Horo said she probably would have done so). It amuses me that Lawrence, a guy that's slow on the uptake, was the one to figure things out and accept them before Horo did. Now she's stuck with him. Problem is, around someone like Horo all your worst character flaws are magnified tenfold.. it's a wonder Lawrence has survived this far, given that his worst traits include "selflessness". Horo still seems to think she can change that aspect of him or something, so I fancy his odds of surviving this story are pretty low.. especially given how he has a similar effect on Horo (though it's far less pronounced). But that's half the fun in the game of love isn't it?

2010-06-17, 03:07	Link #1067
SakuraAyanami Skies Of Dawn Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: My house	because vol 13 & 14 were mention it got me thinking that I have no idea of what happens after vol 7 I just completely forgot for some reason .__. and yet at the same time I remember that I read about it somewhere deep in this threat...

2010-06-18, 08:12	Link #1068
Ichihara Asako Horoist Join Date: Oct 2007	My vol1 arrived today (a full month earlier than Amazon ETA!) but no original art dust jacket. Makes me sad.

2010-06-24, 20:28	Link #1070
SakuraAyanami Skies Of Dawn Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: My house	well for what I can see, Right Stuf still has the dust cover for vol. 1 because they haven't change the message about it: "While supplies last, customers ordering this novel will receive both Spice and Wolf novel 1 and a limited-edition dust jacket, which features the original Japanese manga-style artwork!" Then again I don't know how dedicated their html editor is to the page itself or if they plan to notify when their supply is out of stock.

2010-06-26, 07:34	Link #1072
SakuraAyanami Skies Of Dawn Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: My house	Well that's nice to know. I wonder why I didn't thought about it myself (hehe maybe because I rarely shop online).... Still, it would be nice that they edited the page itself if they don't have the merchandise anymore because for what I can see, the message about the dust cover its the same from the time I order the first volume way back in january

2010-06-26, 19:48	Link #1073
Rajura My wolfu is >> your waifu Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Charleston, West Virginia Age: 42	Well, good luck whatever you decide. I know I'd buy a re-release that had the cover and DJ reversed... but then again, we've already beaten THAT topic into the ground! __________________ Primary Faith: Christianity Secondary Faith: Holoism

2010-06-27, 13:48	Link #1074
tyranuus Team Spice and Wolf UK Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Age: 36	Im sure you'll enjoy the contents regardless of the cover (hell I've got two copies one without and one with, and it doesnt change the book itself ) __________________ Total Anime watched= Enough. What can I say? I'm a convert... *** PRAY FOR SPICE AND WOLF III and faster Yenpress novel releases! Reading: None at the moment

2010-06-29, 22:23	Link #1076
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Latest release schedule for the light novel series: SPICE AND WOLF Volume 1 \| December 2009 SPICE AND WOLF Volume 2 \| Coming June 2010 SPICE AND WOLF Volume 3 \| Coming December 2010 SPICE AND WOLF Volume 4 \| Coming June 2011 SPICE AND WOLF Volume 5 \| Coming December 2011 SPICE AND WOLF Volume 6 \| Coming June 2012 Yen Press news and product link: http://yenpress.us/spice-and-wolf-novel/ __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2010-06-30, 00:28	Link #1078
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	yeah... so far Yen has been reliable, but we've seen how that can change in the industry over a few years. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!