Blue Drop

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

You spoke with an air of authority and knowledge.

Really? Agh, some times I tend to state things as facts, when actually they're just suppositions and assumptions =P It's a big problem of mine. But I don't know too much about Yoshitomi's works; only a few things I read here and there.

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

Human Gosuta... what makes one a Gosuta is the gestation in an artificial womb and being rapidly grown with artificial proteins - not the boom. The boom makes you beautiful to Arume for some reason. Maybe they have a thing for guro.

Yes, of course - I didn't say they're Gosuta. I just said they do the same: boom!! lol. But Rumi was a Gosuta. Kiyomi says so herself (she didn't use that word though). Anyway, the vaccine must be some nanomachine thingy, since that's always the case with Blue Drop. ^^

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

...After the awesomeness that was Gikyoku, and after the discussions about Arume society, values, personalities, etc. that we've been having here, I was feeling a lot better about them. Then I found out about Gosuta ....

I haven't figured out just how much consciousness gosuta have. At first I thought very little, but now I'm not so sure. Nor am I sure what it means that all three classes of Arume (civilians, soldiers, and gosuta) have the same status. But when we think of the idea of suicide bombers (whom I can almost understand, even if I don't share their ideology), this doesn't seem totally alien, and therefore is almost understandable, too. If we adjust our minds to the idea that self-sacrifice is the highest moral good, then maybe....

Spoiler for new manga:

What I wondered is if they started trying to make gosuta with part-human genes, and Ai was an early example. Gosuta grow up fast, it appears, like in two years or so. So Ai could be a hybrid gosuta without the complete ideology or the complete knowledge of a gosuta.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

I haven't figured out just how much consciousness gosuta have. At first I thought very little, but now I'm not so sure. Nor am I sure what it means that all three classes of Arume (civilians, soldiers, and gosuta) have the same status. But when we think of the idea of suicide bombers (whom I can almost understand, even if I don't share their ideology), this doesn't seem totally alien, and therefore is almost understandable, too. If we adjust our minds to the idea that self-sacrifice is the highest moral good, then maybe....

Well, the note states that the idea of self-sacrifice is considered beautiful only by military personnel and gosuta. If that's the case, it's not an alien concept at all: just think about seppuku or the kamikaze pilots. If anything, it's a very Japanese thing (historically-wise).

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for new manga:

What I wondered is if they started trying to make gosuta with part-human genes, and Ai was an early example. Gosuta grow up fast, it appears, like in two years or so. So Ai could be a hybrid gosuta without the complete ideology or the complete knowledge of a gosuta.

Spoiler for new manga:

But what makes you think she may be a hybrid? I mean, the idea seems interesting but isn't it more plausible for her to be just a regular gosuta that went stray?

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

...

Spoiler for new manga:

But what makes you think she may be a hybrid? I mean, the idea seems interesting but isn't it more plausible for her to be just a regular gosuta that went stray?

Spoiler for new manga:

I just say that because she's not blonde/white-haired, as all of the gosuta we've seen have been. And maybe a normal gosuta would know better what was going on and would not be afraid. But it's just a guess, based on the fact that interbreeding and human experimentation became part of the new order at some point later. And it would be just as tragic as the anime....

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for new manga:

I just say that because she's not blonde/white-haired, as all of the gosuta we've seen have been. And maybe a normal gosuta would know better what was going on and would not be afraid. But it's just a guess, based on the fact that interbreeding and human experimentation became part of the new order at some point later. And it would be just as tragic as the anime....

I'm not saying it couldn't happen. It certainly is a possibility, and as you said it would be pretty tragic. In any case, I just hope the next chapter will throw some hints about her identity.

[Keahi19]

Wow the discussion went to gosuta. Intersting stuff and the boom as beautiful. It really depends on what era or what culture you come from. Which is of course the studies I enjoy.

By the way I was curious if they differentiate from how much control the Arume hold over different cultures. It seems they are really stuck in Japan, so the influence on "Human" culturue the Arume have may be stuck to the First WOrld Only.

I really don't see the Arume spending too much time in Siberia or the Middle of the Amazon to try and force the Brazilian and Siberian Peasants to do exactly what they want. These might be areas to try and take people for experiments, but in truth they are also locations that a guerrilla war would be much easier for humans to use.

Cause from what I have been reading from spoilers and other places it seems that the story sticks with alot of First WOrld nations that are conquered. Also what about the primitives like the Aborigine or the tribes in the depths of the African and American jungles.

So my question for discussion is wouldn't how much influence the Arume have on the "human" cullture be different depending on where you are. Now Japan, Europe, the USA and probably Russia would have just like the book. ANd probably the Caribean and some areas of Central America, but their influence in the poorer nations who are probably seen as more inferior might be less simply because they don't want to deal with them. So culturues there might remain intact.

That might allow them to think about just wiping those people out, but even their super technology would have problems if the natives just melted into the jungle. Technology can only go so far there.

Sorry to add another random thought in my head. But, doesn't that sound plausible? Cause in all honesty "Humans" are never generic and those that live in the outskirts of the extremes of Earth's enviroments probably wouldn't appeal to an alien race. Except as experiments on human adapation.

Does that even come up in the story?

By the way thanks for the Bi-torrent information, my problem is I am on a public computer and can't download much. So I will try and see if I can download it later tonight. If not.... -_-.... fate just hates me.

Also any places for good fanfics of this? I like to see some peoples takes and they expand on alot. Of course some of them just suck majorly, but if they are done independent and just in the world and a dozen takes, it can be interesting. *NOds*

I'm still long winded. OH and thank you Fa.... is there something else I can call you cause FatPIanoBoy just feels like I am being mean for some reason. -_-

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Keahi19

So my question for discussion is wouldn't how much influence the Arume have on the "human" cullture be different depending on where you are. Now Japan, Europe, the USA and probably Russia would have just like the book. ANd probably the Caribean and some areas of Central America, but their influence in the poorer nations who are probably seen as more inferior might be less simply because they don't want to deal with them. So culturues there might remain intact.

The official chronology states that all former national borders are abolished at some point (forgot when), so I'd say it was completely global. As for how much control they exercise over various regions, you're probably right about it varying, but since we have yet to see any glimmer of life outside Japan, that's baseless speculation at best. Japan seems to have been ground zero for the invasion (probably due to its dense population, geographic isolation, prosperity, and weak defenses), so it makes sense that Arume influence would be strongest there.

That might allow them to think about just wiping those people out, but even their super technology would have problems if the natives just melted into the jungle. Technology can only go so far there.

The Arume aren't the nicest people around, but they don't go around genociding peoples just because they don't feel like dealing with them
In fact, Azanael, Tsubael, and Ekaril were probably hailed as heroes for standing against someone trying to do just that.

I'm still long winded. OH and thank you Fa.... is there something else I can call you cause FatPIanoBoy just feels like I am being mean for some reason. -_-

Heh, it really doesn't bother me. I seem to get called 'FPB' quite a bit, if you'd rather use that

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

I haven't figured out just how much consciousness gosuta have. At first I thought very little, but now I'm not so sure. Nor am I sure what it means that all three classes of Arume (civilians, soldiers, and gosuta) have the same status.

It's not that they have the same status, but that their lives (and sacrifice) are viewed as equal to an Arume's. I have a hunch that we'll be getting a lot of information on Gosuta in Maiorita

[Keahi19]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

The official chronology states that all former national borders are abolished at some point (forgot when), so I'd say it was completely global. As for how much control they exercise over various regions, you're probably right about it varying, but since we have yet to see any glimmer of life outside Japan, that's baseless speculation at best. Japan seems to have been ground zero for the invasion (probably due to its dense population, geographic isolation, prosperity, and weak defenses), so it makes sense that Arume influence would be strongest there.

Hehehhe yeah I know it's baseless, but I just wanted to know if it was logical. Which it is. I can see the Arume visiting my town and telling us that the USA has been disolved.

Town: DOes our city still exist?

Arume: Yes.

Town: Do we still get to play golf?

Arume: Uhh that's the sport with the club right? Uhh sure.

Town: We're good. Want to play a round?

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

The Arume aren't the nicest people around, but they don't go around genociding peoples just because they don't feel like dealing with them
In fact, Azanael, Tsubael, and Ekaril were probably hailed as heroes for standing against someone trying to do just that.

Oh really? Cool. Then that means that they'd leave the diversity of Earth alone when it came to those isolated enclaves. At least hopefully. I like aborigines.

Where is the official chronology? I have to read Japanese don't I?
And you can call me Vicki instead of Keahi19. That's kinda my middle name. Keahi anyways.

And okie FB then. *NOds*

Oh by the way I downloaded the thing you gave me. It worked, now what do I do? Sorry computer illiterate.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Keahi19

Oh by the way I downloaded the thing you gave me. It worked, now what do I do? Sorry computer illiterate.

1. Open the .rar or .zip file from the CDisplay program
2. ????
3. Profit!

[Keahi19]

hehhehe thankies. I'll try it that way.

And Profit? WHEE!!

[Sin Ansem]

Oh man this thread is epic.

All this information seems like fun to discuss, and I'm sad no one else is talking about it much elsewhere...

[Keahi19]

WHat Blue Drop? Well I don't think the anime has come to the US yet. Have they even sold the rights yet? Give it time. Yuri is catching up to Yaoi in the US. It's about 4 or 5 years behind though. *SHrugs* As in stories, not hentai. Or something.

[JediNight]

In relation to Kenzou being "remodeled" by the Arume for a pregnancy experiment:

Was he remodeled into an Arume then? Or just a female "horime"? I would think the point was Kenzou now had an Arume/Human hybrid genome with the hopes that they could re-introduce reproduction of males into the Arume population. Otherwise I can see no other reason for the experiment, as they could have just used a normal human female then...

PS: Kenzou acts really screwy in the Arume Street despite the fact his friend could be killed for being there and he just wanders off to mess around >.>

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by JediNight

In relation to Kenzou being "remodeled" by the Arume for a pregnancy experiment: Was he remodeled into an Arume then? Or just a female "horime"?...PS: Kenzou acts really screwy in the Arume Street despite the fact his friend could be killed for being there and he just wanders off to mess around >.>

Later in the manga, I think it says that...

Spoiler for untranslated chapter of manga:

...Kenzou's consciousness was put into a "defective" Arume body. This seems odd to me, unless there was also some admixture of Kenzou's horime body, too: why not just mate a human with a "defective" (but presumably still rather attractive) Arume? Of course, that would negate the whole premise of the story....

I'm not sure Kenzou realized what the consequences to his friend/lover would be. In any case, he did make a point of going there to find him. And perhaps he felt he had to join the scene to be effective. Of course, the real reason was so that they could include that panel of him/her half-naked, with the feathers, lol.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Later in the manga, I think it says that...

Spoiler for untranslated chapter of manga:

...Kenzou's consciousness was put into a "defective" Arume body. This seems odd to me, unless there was also some admixture of Kenzou's horime body, too: why not just mate a human with a "defective" (but presumably still rather attractive) Arume? Of course, that would negate the whole premise of the story....

Spoiler for manga:

I think it's more than clear that no Arume alive (defective or not) would do it. So having Kenzou's consciousness there solved that problem. Also, we should take in account that the body was probably altered somehow in order to have at least a possibility of success (regarding the pregnancy issue), as a normal Arume cannot be made pregnant by a human male.

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

I'm not sure Kenzou realized what the consequences to his friend/lover would be. In any case, he did make a point of going there to find him. And perhaps he felt he had to join the scene to be effective. Of course, the real reason was so that they could include that panel of him/her half-naked, with the feathers, lol.

He got distracted by the place's sheer awesomeness. And who wouldn't? Remember at that moment Kenzou was still a man at heart.

[JediNight]

Yes Kazu-kun, but you think he would have had just a little more mental willpower to think "Don't get distracted, friend could die!" lol...

He can always come back later

[FatPianoBoy]

Spoiler for Kenzou:

They "overwrote" the conciousness of a defective Arume with Kenzou's. The body is 100% Arume biologically (even has glowing blue eyes), and the old consciousness is beginning to peek through in brief spurts. Mariel explains that eventually the old consciousness will force out Kenzou's, leaving him nonexistant.

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

He got distracted by the place's sheer awesomeness. And who wouldn't? Remember at that moment Kenzou was still a man at heart.

Indeed. He is still capable of thinking with the wrong head - even if it's no longer attached

[Keahi19]

Wait so basically Kenzou is sacrificed in totally? Wow that's cruel. I mean uber cruel. By the way it sounds like the story goes beyond Issue Three for Bokura..... what issue are they out with in japan? Of Bokura that is.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Keahi19

Wait so basically Kenzou is sacrificed in totally? Wow that's cruel. I mean uber cruel. By the way it sounds like the story goes beyond Issue Three for Bokura..... what issue are they out with in japan? Of Bokura that is.

Since his original body was incinerated, yes - if his consciousness disappears, he is gone. Completely. And yes, it is cruel.

There's one tankoubon out, and the next should be released pretty soon.

[Keahi19]

HMMM course the question is would the conciousness ever disappear 100%. I'd see it possible of a Rogue in Xmen kinda thing where you return to dominance, but there's always this other thing under the surface to torment you. That'd be justice to an Arume I gather. And disfunctional how? Do they explain?

And I meant as in how far beyond the incident at that club with the two teachers are they? I've only gotten to the third translated instalment. Or Issue 1 Part 3 as it were. Has it gone beyond that yet?

Cause I don't remember them explaining the incineration of his body anywhee in what I've read yet. So it must be ahead right. Or I missed something.