2012-09-02, 23:23 | Link #761 | |
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And personally, I called him a jerkass, nobody knows for certain who's good or evil. All that's important is that he is an antagonist to the story.
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2012-09-02, 23:38 | Link #762 |
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That last action is the only one that is hard to defend. I personally don't think he was going to do it. Mental breakdown as was stated. That combined with the what he said before - something along the lines of him only killing demons.
Though if we say he was going to go down that road, I'll have to say that almost all the men in this story aren't great moral figures. I've not read the source material for this, but if you read the first chapter of the (broken English) manga, you will get a different view of how Akatsuki does things with the maids he fought. This is probably a straw man argument, but it's the best I can offer atm. The author does have to tell us who we should be supporting right? -6 Tricks Movies Use to Make Sure You Root for the Right Guy Read more: 6 Tricks Movies Use to Make Sure You Root for the Right Guy | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/article_19183...#ixzz25NWEh5qQ
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2012-09-02, 23:57 | Link #763 | |
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Using rape to break her could only be explained as just to get his jollies from making her despair from her helplessness when a simple blow to the head to render her unconscious would take care of things much more simply. Regardless if he ever intended to do the deed or not he's clearly being a prick. If you actually did look at the first chapter from the english manga, the maids were depicted as being rather infatuated with him and did not want him to leave. The head maid of that attack squad was actually using the orders from Listy to "stop the hero from leaving" as a means to allow her and the other maids to "Say goodbye to him" as they clearly knew they couldn't stop him from leaving. So Akatsuki's manhandling of the maids was less sexual harassment and more of a playful final goodbye of affection that the maids wanted since they couldn't persuade him to stay. |
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2012-09-03, 00:09 | Link #764 | |
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Miu at that point was completely at his mercy. She couldn't even bite her own tongue to kill herself because he had threatened to kill her friends. I have no idea why he would even need to 'pretend' to rape her to break her. Was she even going to do anything at that point? No. And it's an assumption that he was only 'pretending' to rape her. Your second argument is 'well, no one else in this manga is moral either!'. Dude, if the manga was filled with rapists or serial killers, it wouldn't make Phil ANY NICER of a person -_-
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2012-09-03, 13:41 | Link #766 |
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Even with the panty stealing, I can't think of an incident where Akatsuki just did it to get some kicks, or went out his way. Every time its happened, its been a response to someone challenging him in some kind of way, like the maids challenging him when he was leaving and the beach contest where girls where trying to strip him.
I see it more as a humorous "I'll get you before you get me" kind of thing.
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2012-09-03, 15:21 | Link #767 |
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The second point does matter. It defines the morality of the world. This is a world where it was ok to green light a contest where the winning condition was thief of swim suit. This is a world where Chikage goes around raping women in broad day light. This is a world that obviously has different morals than our own.
Add that to the fact that Myuu is the daughter of the most powerful being and the nature of shouen power ups, I think Phil was alright to break her down as much as he could. To him, who knows how powerful she really is? Really, that statement is the only thing that could evoke hatred. It really seemed to me that the statement was more directed at breaking her down than rape considering the context of how he stated it and his seeming conviction toward killing demons.
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2012-09-03, 17:24 | Link #769 | |
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2012-09-03, 17:50 | Link #770 | |
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2012-09-03, 18:14 | Link #772 |
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What unnamed characters? You mean that girl she was having a consensual "encounter" with at the gym? And what do you mean words? And even if I go blind for a second and say he wasn't really going to do it, do you have any idea what it feels like to be at the complete mercy of someone and having someone threaten to violate you even more?
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2012-09-03, 18:19 | Link #773 | |
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There is nothing that justifies rape. Rape is a war crime for gods sake! It's possible it's not in the other world but this world, were our boy Phil is apparently from, it is. Your argument about the morals of others is completely irrelevant. I can't justify stealing if I saw some other random person do it. The only one who's morals are on trial here is Phil. Comment about Chikage? Also irrelevant plus you don't have an ounce of evidence to suggest the one encounter we've seen her in wasn't consensual. As has been said repeatedly Phil had overpowered her physically, had stopped her suicide attempt by threatening her friend's lives and the lives of the innocent. At this point she was completely helpless. As in cannot fight back. Killing demons? Fine, it's practically a war anyway. Torture via rape. No. That's just evil. You cannot sugar coat this any other way. Seriously what part do you not understand? |
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2012-09-03, 19:30 | Link #775 |
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My argument is that there isn't much reason for the hate against Phil. That was my very first post. I said that his actions are lead by reason. Most of them can be easily explained. I even admitted that the rape one was hard to defend.
I will say again that I don't think he was going to rape her. From the context of the scene to his words about how Myuu got Akatsuki to spare her are in form for breaking her down. Combined with that fact that he says he only slays demons makes me believe that rape was not his intention. Also, as he says, he is a hero after all. For a meta analysis, we are in a shouen situation. Hell, they are practically shouen heroes themselves. I'lll be damned if the old shouen tropes of random power ups coming at inopportune times wasn't ingrained in their culture. Combined with how you really can't judge people's power level on impressions. Combined with Myuu being the daughter of the strongest person in their world. Wouldn't you take precaution and break the other person down as much as possible? If for whatever reason Myuu is actually super strong (which I'm sure she will come out later with some hax powers), then Phil is employing psychological warfare in case he loses the physical one. It is always the helpless situations in shouens where people get their powers Now I already knew I was on the losing end of this battle. I'm almost sure next episode or so we will see that Phil and his kingdom are evil and have some master evil plan. I've already said that. I even said I don't particularly like Phil (just that he was a nice change from normal villans). What I argued was that up till now, I saw reasoning behind his actions that don't make hate surge up from within me. The others in this thread skipping over other lapses in morality of other characters in this same universe only reinforce the notion that we give more leeway to the protagonist's views (come on now, that random girl ran out of the room like she didn't want to be there with Chikage).
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2012-09-04, 08:27 | Link #778 |
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Akatsuki's sexually assault/pranks aren't even in the same league as Phil's have sex with me or I'll kill you and your people, so nowadays stealing bras is as big a crime as blackmail with the intent to rape and genocide.
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2012-09-04, 15:25 | Link #779 | |
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At one point teachers abusing and sexually assaulting children gets small penalties. Same goes for bullies. On the other hand you have Osaka police chasing a man because he looked at a girl at train station. Seriously funny shit is funny. Though you people should stop comparing Akatsuki and Phill, one is grey the other one is black, end of the thread.
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2012-09-04, 18:29 | Link #780 |
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Perhaps the posters who defend Phil on here would like to trr and defend what he did to the school's faculty and the school's property before going after Miu? Who knows how many people he injured or killed, not to mention, knocking out the school's barrier that protects students from magic damage...
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