2009-06-28, 21:26 | Link #14061 | |
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I'd rather see Yoda vs. a melee specialist.
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2009-06-28, 21:48 | Link #14062 | |
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Also, I did a fic that had Nanoha and crew under "limiters" before StrikerS came out........
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2009-06-28, 22:26 | Link #14064 | |
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That brief period is probably why almost nobody gives serious thought to Teana going rogue over the issue. In other stories where the student went rogue, there's plenty of implication that their negative feelings have been festering for days or months, even if it isn't shown outright. That's not the case with Teana. |
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2009-06-28, 22:30 | Link #14065 | |
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2009-06-28, 22:34 | Link #14066 |
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I'd say you'd have to dumb down Nanoha quite a bit for her not to talk to the Forwards at the earlist convenience about the matter. There's been plently of criticism about the effectiveness of her teaching methods, but I don't think she can be that bad an instructor.
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2009-06-28, 22:37 | Link #14067 | |
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2009-06-29, 00:37 | Link #14068 |
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Yeah, in this timeline, Teana's bitterness and suspicions of Nanoha holding her back have been brewing for a while now by the time the incident happens. The Hotel Misfire and White Devil Incidents were all it took to convince her. Also, I should say something more in case you all forgot. Besides Nanoha, when Vita chewed Tia out at the Hotel Incident, Teana comes to believe that Vita is knowingly assisting Nanoha in holding her back, and combined with Vita's general unpleasantness with Tia and her general hanging-around with Nanoha, Teana comes to hate her as well (referring to her with such things as "Half-Pint/Lil'-Red Bitch/Shrimp", "Takamachi-teme's lapdog", "Drill Sergeant Nasty", etc.
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2009-06-29, 00:46 | Link #14069 | |
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2009-06-29, 10:25 | Link #14070 |
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"The happiest day of my life?" I looked down at Subaru with a curious expression. She was staring up at me with an interested look and nodded at my returned question. "What is this, all of a sudden?"
"Well, Nanoha-san," She began. "The other forwards and I were taking a soak in the hotsprings here while we are on vacation-" I had to smile, imagining Erio huddled in a little ball facing away from everyone else with a fierce blush on his face. "And," Subaru went on, "The radio was talking about it and was interviewing someone and asked them that question. Fate-san said it was important for us to know what we are fighting for." "Fate-chan, hmm?" I put a finger to my chin and thought. "Leave it to her to conenct her happiest day to what she fights for." "You know what hers is?" I smiled at her question and nodded. It was easy for me to know. After all, I had been there. "Can you tell me?" "It has to do with water," I told her. Subaru groaned lightly and I knew that Fate-chan hadn't answered the question either. "But for me..." I paused to think about it. What was my happiest day? The first time I flew for fun? The day I was accepted into the TSAB? The day I became a teacher? I thought harder and closed my eyes, trying to recall the happiest moments of my life. At once I remembered the first time Fate-chan and I made love and it brought a blush to my face that Subaru didn't miss. Instead of lingering on that one thought, I continued to search. The day I offically adopted Vivio and was legally her mother. That would have to be it. I remember my hand shaking as I signed the paper. Vivio was with me then, seemingly knowing what was going on and how important it was because she was smiling up at me. I had hugged her and told her I loved her and she told me she loved me too. I smiled then, putting my hands behind my back and leaning forward at Subaru so out noses were almost touching. "The best day of my life," I told her, my voice slightly teasing. "Is every day that I come in my house and have my daughter and wife greet me." Subaru pouted. "That doesn't help me..." "You have to find your own answer," I told her. Placing my hand on her hair, I ruffled it and grinned. "When you do, let me know okay?" "Haaaiii...."
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2009-06-29, 10:32 | Link #14071 | |
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An excellent example of this is a certain famous story that gets posted hereabouts occasionally, namely Satashi's PornStar!Vivio stuff. Satashi: Nanoha and Fate are killed in action. Me as the Reader: There's a reason right there for me to not read the story, but keep going... Satashi: Vivio is distraught, swears off magic forever, and runs away from all her parents' old friends. Me: Sounds like a serious overreaction, but grief isn't exactly conductive to logic... Satashi: ...and then she decides to support herself by becoming a porn star! Me: *Mental record scratch* ...wait, what the fracking hell? Not to get off-topic or anything, but this is something that's bothered me ever since I heard of the idea; why in the Kaiser's name would Vivio become a porn star of all things when there are any number of other jobs she could get? Never mind that Nanoha and Fate are probably rolling over in their graves and Vivio knows that... What reason would Teana have to be bitter and suspicious towards Nanoha before she ever got smacked down? You can't just make this stuff up as you go, it has to lead from a starting point or your plot makes no sense. You'll realize this if you ever try to write the situation from Teana's point; when you're describing the situation from her perspective, you'll come upon a point where you need to explain where these feelings of resentment started and how they developed over time.
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2009-06-29, 10:57 | Link #14073 | |
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Just don't have Tiana mouth off when Nanoha tells her to take the day off. Just have her grip her hands tightly and nod curtly. Thus what happened to Nanoha isn't brought to light and Tiana probably doesn't get a talk from anyone about it... |
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2009-06-29, 11:14 | Link #14074 | |
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Deserting her unit flies in the face of Teana's goal of redeeming the Lanstar name for Tiida's sake. To get around that you'd have to have Teana decide that power = honor, which requires a very smart and level-headed girl to act on some really screwed-up logic, which is blatantly OOC of her. I absolutely cannot see Teana making this kind of decision unless she was under the influence of some outside party, and then you've just turned Teana into the Nanohaverse version of Sasuke. Transferring out the usual way will lead to questions being raised about why she wants to leave, which in turn will probably lead to a confrontation with Nanoha, which in turn leads right back to the
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2009-06-29, 11:28 | Link #14075 | |
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For one thing, Teana never has the time to properly develop any real resentment for Nanoha specifically; it's true that in canon she feels frustrated over being "held back", but that feeling isn't given the time it needs to become a deep, nasty resentment that could lead to her even considering leaving before Signum bitch slaps knocks some sense into her and Shari explains everything in detail. On top of that, Teana's whole character is built on redeeming the Lanstar name and her brother because of how he died; that's her driving force behind nearly everything she does. If you make her go rogue, then you're essentially changing something that's so much a part of her character that she wouldn't even be Teana anymore but some Nanohaverse version of Sasuke or Ishida. I'm not saying it can't be done, but doing it properly without making some major story changes would be extremely difficult. The only way it would work is if Teana was influenced by an outside force (and who would that be, anyway? Jail?) or if you go back and change how Tiida died, which in turn would change Teana's whole motivation in the first place.
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2009-06-29, 11:41 | Link #14076 |
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Guidelines are good to keep a fanfic but it limitates a lot the creatrivity of the author, I personally admire writters like Satashi and Atomico X who are brave enough to try totally new things with very limited plots (speaking of making a fic based on an alredy existing story) and they actually bring good stuff out. Having stories following a predeterminated set of "rules" may turn out to have a repetitive and boring story.
Said this, jumping a bit out of canon is not so bad, but if you wish to move really, really out of Canon I recomend to better try in original-land, it worked for me and now my original comics are a hit.
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2009-06-29, 12:18 | Link #14077 | |
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me: I'm eating a roasted chicken with herb-butter seasonings and it's really juicy and moist and is just delicious! me: I'm eating the heated flesh off a dead bird. See what I mean? The same was to PS!Vivio. me: Vivio runs away and becomes a porn star! me: Vivio almost has a mental breakdown after seeing her parent's death, and tries to hide from the harsh reality that any of her friends could die at any moment. After a series of mistakes, she can't handle life and resorts to posing nude for money to live on. After the shame makes her sick, she tries even harder to make her own life and thinks that she can never return. As she learns what life really is, she resorts to doing it again. Then, she finally meets someone who treats her with respect, and she learns what it means to truly walk on your own two feet. Same story, just "words of glory". the story was fairly well recived, for what it is. 58 reviews and about 7,000 reads. As for Rogue!Tea, I can't justify any of my reasoning without actually writing it and "stepping out of the norm to try an off teh wall story to try and make it work"
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2009-06-29, 12:26 | Link #14078 | |
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It can be done, and it even can be done excellently. That doesn't mean it's easy.
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Spoiler for I wanted to do this a while ago but forgot:
Bottom line, Vivio's too powerful a mage to be allowed to just vanish without a through search being mounted. I agree it's a great story, and I liked it. But elephant in the room sometimes got hard to ignore. |
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2009-06-29, 12:41 | Link #14080 | |
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The problem with a story like this, which would require some major changes to canon, is to make these changes without completely losing Teana's character and who she is. The writing could be excellent and the storyline could be compelling, but if I don't recognize Teana's character, then I'll have a much harder time enjoying it.
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