General Gundam Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Yup, I was reading on the Zaku II Kai, and that is one mobile suit that's incredibly reliant on fuel.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

I always assumed the MS and MA used propulsion from the fusion reactor. Why use burnable fuel when you have an entire nuclear reactor?

Nuclear engines simply provide the electricity (or heat, depending on the system) necessary for the propulsion systems to work, but you're still going to need reaction mass to actually propel anything, and said reaction mass comes from propellant. There's a reason that they need systems like AMBAC to conserve propellant fuel.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Which is why UC grunt mobile suits > 00 grunt mobile suits.

[LoweGear]

I'm wondering where that sentiment came from all of a sudden, though I don't disagree (at least in terms of the non-GN Drive equipped 00 grunts).

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

I'm wondering where that sentiment came from all of a sudden, though I don't disagree (at least in terms of the non-GN Drive equipped 00 grunts).

00 grunts failed miserably to impress me. Where's the diversity? Anyway, I'll get us back on topic.

Was there an I-Field that was able to block soild rounds? As far as I can recall, that's what put the Big Zam in its place, bullets.

[LoweGear]

Since my preferences on 00 grunts isn't appropriate in this topic, I'll drop the matter, but I do still think the 00 grunts variety is actually more realistically handled than the strange over-variety of UC.

And I-Fields have never been known to block solid objects, which is why beam shields were developed to compensate.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Was there an I-Field that was able to block soild rounds? As far as I can recall, that's what put the Big Zam in its place, bullets.

I-Field is a barrier dedicated to block only beams, with the only exception of Nu Gundam's.

Nu Gundam's I-Field Delta is almost like a beam shield, it is strong enough to repel even a whole MS when its trapped in the shield. The field can also cut like a beam sword if its extended and something is caught by the field, it will get chopped in half.

[LoweGear]

Isn't the Nu Gundam's Fin Funnel Shield more like a proto beam shield than a pure I-Field?

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Since my preferences on 00 grunts isn't appropriate in this topic, I'll drop the matter, but I do still think the 00 grunts variety is actually more realistically handled than the strange over-variety of UC.

And I-Fields have never been known to block solid objects, which is why beam shields were developed to compensate.

Tell me in the 00 mech thread.


Beam shields and I-fields, doesn't seem like much a different to me. They both block beams, what's the difference? How are beam shields able to block bullets and I-Fields aren't?

[LoweGear]

Beam shields are more like beam sabers redesigned to perform defensive functions, whereas I-Fields are simply minovsky particle lattices, hence why they only affect beam weaponry.

And I don't do comparison arguments for the sake of argument, thanks

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

[QUOTE=LoweGear;2321409]Beam shields are more like beam sabers redesigned to perform defensive functions, whereas I-Fields are simply minovsky particle lattices, hence why they only affect beam weaponry.

[B]And I don't do comparison arguments for the sake of argument, thanks [QUOTE]

Heh, you're one of few.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Isn't the Nu Gundam's Fin Funnel Shield more like a proto beam shield than a pure I-Field?

Yes its a proto beam shield and it comes from I-Field technology, so they named it I-Field Delta to differentiate it from normal I-Fields.

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Beam shiels and I-fields, doesn't seem like much a different to me. They both block beams, what's the difference? How are beam shields able to block bullets and I-Fields aren't?

An I-Field works by having Minovsky Particles emitted in a certain configuration that it has repelling charge or simply disperses incoming Minvosky Particles, beams. It works only on all the Minovsky based beam tech in the UC series.

Beam Shields is basically a flat beam sword, it actually has particle force strong enough to destroy anything that hits it. Its also Minovsky tech, basically instead of just using particles to disperse incoming particles, why not just set the particle rate to destructive levels.

So yes, beam shield's only bad point is that it eats more energy than I-Fields.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Heh, you're one of few.

I only do comparison arguments when it follows from an already existing argument. Since the issue of "UC Grunts > 00 Grunts" turned out to be one of personal taste, and not of tech comparisons as I thought it was, I decided not to bring it up again in the other thread.

Originally Posted by C.A.

Yes its a proto beam shield and it comes from I-Field technology, so they named it I-Field Delta to differentiate it from normal I-Fields.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by C.A.

So yes, beam shield's only bad point is that it eats more energy than I-Fields.

I don't quite agree with this idea though. If it does, why wouldn't MS in F91 and beyond be equipped with I-Field instead of just Beam Shield ?

I know they ditch Soild Shield because it's dead weight in favor of Beam Shield. And if technology allows consumption of Energy for I-field to be cut to a munimum, than all MS should have I field as a standard by V Gundam and not just Beam Shield.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

I don't quite agree with this idea though. If it does, why wouldn't MS in F91 and beyond be equipped with I-Field instead of just Beam Shield ?

I know they ditch Soild Shield because it's dead weight in favor of Beam Shield. And if technology allows consumption of Energy for I-field to be cut to a munimum, than all MS should have I field as a standard by V Gundam and not just Beam Shield.

Wasn't the reason why mobile suits weren't equipped with I-Field equipment because of the size of said equipment?

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Wasn't the reason why mobile suits weren't equipped with I-Field equipment because of the size of said equipment?

The Crossbone X-3 and V2 Assault Buster had one. They manage to reduce the I-Field Generator to MS size by around UC130.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

I don't quite agree with this idea though. If it does, why wouldn't MS in F91 and beyond be equipped with I-Field instead of just Beam Shield ?

Beam shields are better, IMO, because I-fields still do nothing against kinetic weapons. Beam shields can block bullets, beams, and missiles, thus far more versatile. The main advantage of I-fields is to defend against large warships and their main cannon. The I-field protect the entire mobilesuit from beam blasts in all directions.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Beam shields are better, IMO, because I-fields still do nothing against kinetic weapons. Beam shields can block bullets, beams, and missiles, thus far more versatile. The main advantage of I-fields is to defend against large warships and their main cannon. The I-field protect the entire mobilesuit from beam blasts in all directions.

Yes. I agree. The main problem at hand is that he said that I Field does not consume power as much as a Beam Shield. By that logic , then all MS should have I Field on top of a Beam Shield.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Yes. I agree. The main problem at hand is that he said that I Field does not consume power as much as a Beam Shield. By that logic , then all MS should have I Field on top of a Beam Shield.

Actually, the beam shield doesn't use Minovsky particles to destroy solid projectiles. Like the beam saber, the beam shield is effectively a weak I-field shaped into a hollow shield, filled with plasma. The plasma is what destroys the solid projectiles, not the Minovsky particles.

Part of the reason shield development took so long was the programing issue. They had to code the beam shield to alter its I-field shape whenever it is in danger of cutting off its own limbs.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Actually, the beam shield doesn't use Minovsky particles to destroy solid projectiles. Like the beam saber, the beam shield is effectively a weak I-field shaped into a hollow shield, filled with plasma. The plasma is what destroys the solid projectiles, not the Minovsky particles.

Part of the reason shield development took so long was the programing issue. They had to code the beam shield to alter its I-field shape whenever it is in danger of cutting off its own limbs.

Ah you are correct, I forgot about how beam swords work.

The beam sabre's plasma is held within the field and when the field makes contact with the surface that is targeted, the field breaks upon contact and releases a burst of plasma on the contact point.

And I guess energy consumption is not the real problem.