2010-12-23, 01:35 | Link #541 | |
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I doubt the blackhole works that way. Otherwise I would argue that BB could suck all the land away and deprive his opponent of land as well. edit: Re-read and I think you are assuming that the battle would be on land with a sea nearby. My assumption is that the battle is just as likely to be at the sea itself with each on their own boat/ship/raft/whatever. |
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2010-12-23, 05:35 | Link #543 |
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I don't think any of the Shichibukai can listed on organization of power. For Crocodile I think he is not getting the credit he deserves. He is on par with any of the characters that have taken up the Shichibukai title. |
2010-12-23, 21:34 | Link #544 | |
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Honestly, I always felt that Rob Lucci fit the bill as far as bishie villains go. He reminds me of just about every cookie cutter pretty-boy villain out there: Silent, dark-haired dude with a bland personality, enjoys killing, is generally an asshole towards everybody, has a dark past, etc. I'll admit that Lucci at least has some style (I'm not gonna lie.... I really liked that pimpin' coat he wore on the sea train), but in the end, I chiefly find him boring (if only he were more like a Jojo villain.... which, IMO, are good examples of bishie villains done right). Otherwise, I always felt that the goofier villains had more interesting powers and personalities overall (speaking of that, when the heck is Buggy the warlord gonna appear? ). To go back on topic, I wonder how long it'll be before we see the new Shichibukai replacements? I already mentioned Buggy above, but we've still gotta see which of our supernova friends were offered the chance to become government dogs....... |
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2011-01-16, 15:29 | Link #545 | |
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Mihawk was testing Luffy's fate; would he escape from his sights, or would he fall prey to the black sword? Luffy's first bounty caught his attention, which prompted him to verify with his friend Shanks if this rookie was indeed the one he bet the new era on. Then subsequent to Crocodile's defeat and Luffy's bounty being raised to 100 million, Mihawk himself became interested in the SH pirates (evident in him attending the first Shichibukai replacement meeting). During the Marineford war, Mihawk commented that Luffy possesses the most dangerous ability in the entire ocean: the ability to make those around him into his allies. Making that astute observation, it's possible that Mihawk foresaw that Shanks would inevitably intervene. From that point on, it was up to Luffy to persevere/hold out. I like this theory, Kuroi Hadou .
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2011-01-16, 15:35 | Link #546 |
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The first inklings of it came to me when Mihawk walked away like the very next panel that Shanks showed up, and Mihawk has mentioned several times that he'd like to see what fate had in store for the world. For the longest time he was just wandering around, looking for a strong opponent, but after meeting Luffy and Zoro he became interested again. He seems to have lost his drive for a while after Shanks lost his arm, and when he met the person Shanks sacrificed his arm for... well, you pretty much described it perfectly. Not to mention he probably would have recognized the straw hat almost instantly. And when you think about it, Mihawk placed his own bet on Zoro, and in turn Luffy as well. It seems like he and Shanks (and Rayleigh too) are the ones actively driving the world into the New Era. You can't really count Whitebeard, since he was content to just sit where he was until he realized who Ace was and placed his bet on him. But it was the wrong one, and it seemed like he changed his bet to Luffy by the end of the Marineford arc.
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2011-02-11, 09:30 | Link #547 |
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so anyone agrees that we'll never see Kuma using his offensive pushing powers to their fullest potential, because they're by far the single most broken thing in OP ? I mean sending people into lethal places, first and foremost - DF-users into the ocean .. it's not instant teleport, but there's still not much they can do - exceptions being flyers (Shiki, Laffite, Marco, Pell) and probably Aokiji (not sure about non-solid logias .. can they just hover above the ocean ? like Enel, Kizaru)
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2011-02-11, 12:35 | Link #548 | |
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Even if he does have such a restriction, he still has more than enough hax tools at his disposal.
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2011-02-12, 01:36 | Link #549 | |
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Ace vs. Jimbei ended in a stalemate after 5 days of fighting. Yet shortly after that, Ace got up and proceeded to get thrashed by WB, whereas Jimbei was still lying on the floor passed out. These clashes occurred roughly 2 years prior to the time-skip. Given how Jimbei is middle-aged (46 years old), one can infer he has already reached his physical peak. Very little room for improvement, if you will. Whereas for Ace, we know that he was still very young and had yet to reach his full potential. With all that being said, it's logical to conclude that BB fought a stronger Ace than the one Jimbei fought. What took Jimbei 5 days to do, BB did in a very short period of time. Only 2 punches from BB put Ace in critical condition; Jimbei had to use accumulative damage over the course of 5 days to put down Ace. While true that the Darkness fruit isn't as advantageous against non-DF fighters, its gravitational pull and BB's raw physical power would be enough to overwhelm Jimbei. It'll come down to a battle of exchanging blows up close, but in terms of durability/endurance and damage output, BB has Jimbei beat (going by feats).
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2011-02-12, 13:51 | Link #550 |
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^That's actually a fiarly good point. Though, I will say that age is only an issue if Oda wishes to make it an issue (far more often a character will be weakened due to injury or illness rather than old age).
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2011-02-12, 14:22 | Link #551 |
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^While it's true the fight started on land, remember that they were surrounded by ocean during that time (we even see Whitebeard's ship docked in front of their bodies after the fight). It's very likely that Jinbei used his full arsenal against Ace during their duel (that is, unless his honor code prevented him from using the seawater against a DF user).....
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2011-02-21, 15:30 | Link #554 |
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Mihawk is superior to Shanks in swordsmanship, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger overall. We have yet to see Shanks' utmost capabilities, and he may have other skills that compensate for his inferiority to Mihawk in swordsmanship. Personally, I'm inclined to believe they're equals.
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2011-02-21, 15:35 | Link #555 | |
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You talk as if Shanks has another fighting style besides swordsmanship or something, because that would be the only way to compensate, that or a random devil fruit. And both are highly unlikely.
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2011-02-21, 16:08 | Link #557 | |
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Haki is not a separate fighting style, but a supplement. If Shanks had much superior haki, then he would most likely be the superior swordsman, because haki enhances his combat skills. Aside from CoC of course, which so far is only a fodder beater.
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2011-02-21, 16:19 | Link #558 | |
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And to counter Mihawk's title of "Strongest Swordsman in the World", Shanks is considered one of the 4 strongest pirates in the world. Mihawk is a pirate, so I guess that must mean Shanks>Mihawk, right? I know that. But you don't have definitive proof Mihawk>Shanks.
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Not really, there's multiple examples for Shanks while there's only one for Whitebeard, and Shanks was already shown to be swimming. Not to mention, he already told Buggy that he's not interested in eating a devil fruit. Whitebeard didn't have nearly as much things pointing to him. Quote:
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Is there something wrong with a Shichibukai being stronger than a Yonkou? It still doesn't change the fact that Shanks is the much much bigger threat between the two, because he has under his command an entire crew + possible allies, while Mihawk is just a loner.
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2011-02-21, 16:50 | Link #560 | |
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Never claimed otherwise. There's nothing wrong with a shichibukai being stronger than a Yonkou. But you don't have any concrete evidence to make such a bold claim.
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