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Uhhh...I just told you what they did with it She was a spy for the Allied Forces that looked like Elena Elena killed her and started masquerading as her while conveying info to the Allied Forces They found it it wasn't her Quote:
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How about you watch the episode? That wasn't theEND. That was an archetype IFO-0 that Blanc had hid in the basement, Mama goes over this. As to how Truth From the incident with the Scub Burst 10 years prior to the storyline, they cultivated when she became one with the Scub in episode 14 She's doing the same thing the Scub were doing at the end of E7 Quote:
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2012-09-14, 23:41 | Link #2242 |
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Maggie switch from "nobody at all" to "ace pilot in the US forces" was such a jump this new Maggie might as well have been new character. But okay, it's to show how the Gun works. Sure, I accept that. The problem here is that this script is struggling way too hard to make people attach to these hollow characters. But that's just an opinion, don't get all butthurt.
Ao didn't rationalize anything. He just did what he felt was better. Using the Quartz Gun is presented to him as almost entirely positive thing. It would save his mother. It would save the whole world from some catastrophe (ep12) and if possible, both worlds, because some crisis has also befallen Eureka's world as well - on that note, the show STILL can't make up its mind if it's travelling between worlds or between time periods and if both how it's all related. The only thing that prevents Ao from shooting the gun is an overemotional realization of "Oh no, I'm going to change the reality, that's kinda wrong I guess!" which is not only a ridiculously complex thought for a 13 year old boy on a quest to save his mother, it's also, again, presented as a POSITIVE thing. Ao even sees Goldilocks, well most of them, running a bakery and not fighting Secrets anymore. That's good right? This kind of moral doubt is something I'd expect in a better story, but not with this setup. So coming back to his random trip to the US forces, what was he thinking exactly? That if he gives up his extremely important (to him personally) machinery the US won't touch GenBleu anymore? Or that the US would find a better use to it? Is he like a saint or something? Or is he just stupid? And then he changed his mind. That little occurence was random and stupid of him and goes back to Ao just lacking inner logic as a character. But the worst thing is that 4 episodes out of 24 before the end we still don't have any visible goal post in the show for... any of the characters really. You'd think it is "Use the Quartz to save Eureka", right? Seemingly not! |
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It's actually "Complete the Quartz Gun and use it to save Eureka", which is so vague a goal neither we nor Ao himself has any idea what that actually entails.
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2012-09-14, 23:52 | Link #2244 | |
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Just because it fell naturally into the background as Ao joined Gen Bleu and we naturally didn't see the island for a while as the show got more global and Ao was no longer on the island doesn't mean the issue was "dropped" nor that such political turmoil wasn't continuing on the island after he left, but we're seeing the world through Ao so why would he know what's going on on the island after he left it? It's even brought up each time we're back to the island making the island a living-breathing location that politically changes, and more importantly as morbofirst and ChocoBar said it also served a MAJOR dual purpose development for the situation surrounding how Ao grew up in his childhood and a basis for why he's matured faster than a normal 13 year old kid (or Renton for that matter) and how his mother (and him too) was persecuted for being a "foreigner" or in actuality an alien (actually half-alien ofcourse) and how Naru was really nice to him and a true friend as they grew up as kids climaxing in that memorable scene where she embraced him despite the adults all considering him a "bringer of death/disaster/etc." even after his hair changed color further hinting at his alien heritage since most character have "normal" hair colors in this world. It also introduced/demonstrated a major theme showing the gap between the older generation and their past burdens and the younger generation and that scene where Gazelle embodied how the younger generation think that the way the adults handle themselves and these types of issues are pathetic sometimes even after they get what they thought they want, which ties into one of the big overall themes of the show. Plus, this story is a global story once it got off the island and Ao joined Gen Bleu, did you expect them to only focus on this one country after he left? Part of the goal was probably to make Okinawa and the world feel like a real living part of a real living world with real political hot issues and by extension the politics brought up when addressing the political maneuverings of the rest of the countries as the Ao went out into the world. And these are important as they've come to the forefront on multiple occasions and are doing so again. What do you mean they didn't do jack with it? Is Elena's identity completely reveal yet? No. Not only was the Elena/Miller thing JUST addressed yet again merely two episodes ago but Fleur was too guarded and too much of the non-prying type to call Elena out on it as Elena wanted her to(!!!) where she'd spell it out, it could even be brought up yet again when we get the full reveal of Elena's identity. How is that "dropping it" if they've kept referencing it? It's not that there's no fall out from that, Elena f-ing wanted fall out from it, she even slapped Fleur wanting fall out from it. Ofcourse part of it was that she was annoyed that her friend didn't seem to care (I seriously doubt that's how Fleur would interpret why she doesn't) enough to press her on her statement but that clearly WAS her stressing out about it, she wanted to finally break the stress, but even after slapping her Fleur still wouldn't pry. We've seen multiple parts of Ivica's history and Fleur's and they may still do more. Your Maggie thing makes no sense. She's still the same same Maggie and she's in a potentially important spot, just because she's changed sides because she doesn't remember anyone because her history was changed by a key event in the story doesn't make it fanservice that she's still here (that's like saying a character who suffers amnesia halfway through a story is fanservice because they're not the same person anymore). Heck they may even use this as theorized by others that Ao and her will find some way to reach her or maybe a remnant of her true memories as we know them before the gun changed her life. Also, I think it adds to her character that she still wanted to become an IFO pilot and fight even had she not been able to join Gen Bleu with her history changed. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2012-09-15 at 00:14. |
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2012-09-15, 00:07 | Link #2245 |
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I fully support. Fluer and Ao. Its a good thing the staff has good brains that they trash Naru. It looks like they feel the hate/don't like from the fans. I really don't like that girl from the beginning and its a good thing that it won't be your typical first girl win. Or so I hope and wish.
What the heck with Truth merging with an IFO --_--
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You missed the bit I was talking about. In regards to Ivica, they haven't gone further or really done anything in regards to his background since episode 8(the one in the US). As for Fleur, we don't see any development in regards to her relationship with her father. Things might finally progress, in that she might be able forgive him now that he's dead, but as of now we haven't even seen any self-guilt or even references to her episode. No, crying that your father got blown up doesn't constitute as forgiveness or acceptance. Quote:
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That's not an answer. Considering they've never been shown in the OG series, there needs to specifically be some sort of origin story in order to explain their existence in this particular dimension. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-09-15 at 00:37. |
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2012-09-15, 00:15 | Link #2247 |
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I think the Okinawan plot comes off as dropped to you because carriers of that plot, namely Gazelle and his trio, are no longer part of it. First these three youths decided to help their home country by demanding things from GenBleu. But that was quickly forgotten as they just started doing oddjobs for them for... what personal purpose? I don't know. They still don't have a purpose.
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2012-09-15, 00:19 | Link #2248 |
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FleurxAo forever!
I actually think Ao has been an amazing lead, way better and more interesting than Renton in E7. He is what makes the show for me. I like the characters. The story is interesting. It's not the best show ever but I think it's really good. I can't wait to see how it all ends. |
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Well we do have Naru, who it seems was supposed to be a major character, on the island who is pretty much either taking long naps or looking at the sunset.The Okinawan Independence movement and how it related to Ao as an individual is gone. They quickly ended it off-screen without much of a proper conclusion. Quote:
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Why would there be any development on Ao's view on it? It's practically inconsequential to him especially once his adopted grandfather agrees on him joining Gen Bleu and he's more focused on learning the truth about his mother. He's still in school and he's not exactly the most popular due to his heritage, before everything went down in ep 1 Ao probably didn't even care about the Okinawan independence movement.
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Ao continues his goal to protect the island (and learn the truth about his mother) the only way he can at first, by joining the fight against the Secrets with Gen Bleu since he couldn't stay on the island anymore. Once their it was no longer about just protecting just his island once he got immersed in Gen Bleu which operates on a global scale, he wanted to help his fellow pilots fight the Secrets everywhere including to continue protecting the island should they return there, he joined a global organization. Last edited by DangerMouse; 2012-09-15 at 01:02. |
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Desperation Disease was basically a person's conscience being sent into the Scub Coral information hub/command cluster (manifestation of which was seen in Acperience 4) using the compac drive as medium. Now I haven't seen the latest episode yet, but that doesn't seem anything at all like what has been shown as "trappar sickness" so far. |
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No, there is not a 97% similarity between them. The scene in question is meant to demonstrate that the current Miller is actually Elena impersonating her. Elena and Miller aren't actually a perfect match, just close enough that Elena can convincingly impersonate her. It's a coincidence. Quote:
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All this is proving is what the series has refrained from explaining for 20 episodes. Elena is a true mystery. I doubt she is the daughter of Eureka, but she has some connection. Remember, in episode Mirror of the world at the end, the real Elena Peoples disappeared or was killed, and the Elena we know assumed her identity.
Desperation Diesease is different than what is transpiring in this series. Desperation was full-blown paralysis, while the infection now is infection of the lungs, causing problems breathing. Many more things have to be covered. In episode 19, Christophe admitted the adults made a mistake and they are unable to fix it nor admit they were wrong. It is up to the kids to fix the adults mistake, finding what is the right thing to do and act upon it. Ao and co. have just now started their "true" journey. Doubt that this will all be covered in four episodes, but we'll see.
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How is that fanservice? Firstly, her history was changed by a hugely key event to the story and second she's the same person in the same ongoing story not a cameo. That's like saying that a character who has amnesia in the middle of a story (and isn't the protagonist so no one is sure if they'll ever recover) due to a huge plot important event is just fanservice to the rest of the show just because we don't know if she'll get her memory back even if they continue her character by showing that even without the factors that made her a candidate for Gen Bleu she still is driven to be a pilot in her new timeline wanting to fight, I think that's pretty good for a secondary ongoing character, and I wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility that she'll be encountering Ao in the next ep or two which could ride on her two totally opposing histories and weigh on Ao greatly, if there's any comm chatter between them for him to realize it's her, as he'll be aware of both of her histories in which we would be totally unaware had she not been a character we've been following.
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