2012-04-03, 13:51 | Link #202 |
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What would the point be for that system when you are in a total war with Gamilus?
Though that would indicate that there are (or were) other fleets of different nationalities other than Japanese. As First Fleet seems to clearly have been made up of all Japanese ships (judging by the names written on the sides of the ships). Though I do recall 1974 radio chatter from several other countries reporting radiation depths and or signing off to Defense Force Command. Followed by of course Yamato III and the other space battleships supposedly build by other countries for exploration work. Aside from that I recall no other mention of any countries aside from Japan.
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The questions you are asking are the same questions that a lot of Japanese fans have been asking since the original broadcast, and the staff of 2199 said that they are going to address them, fill the holes, or do away with, some of these inconsistencies or missing bits. You might want to read some of the interviews with them on the official Star Blazers website that went up yesterday. Oh, and there's now an English scanlation of the 2199 manga that went live yesterday.
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2012-04-03, 15:44 | Link #204 |
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I meant a system of rotating of nations for Earth Defense Forces for a year at a time during a war. Or more a war of total destruction.
I am unsure if that is how the current NATO structure works, but then NATO and the like have not had to fight a total war....well since World War II.
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2012-04-03, 16:57 | Link #205 | |
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2012-04-03, 19:43 | Link #206 |
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It would make complete sense to get as many people and military equipment involved as possible when your very existence is at stake. The national rotation plan seems to be, how should I put it, inefficient? Time and time again military history has proved that throwing your assets at the enemy piecemeal is wasteful and will lose the battle for you.
On the other hand, in regards as to how easily the Gamillas defeated the Cosmo Navy, it was a good idea (or luck) NOT to have every capable ship present at the battle. I've always let the "Japan saves the world" thing go because 1) I feel that it's OK for a nation to have some pride in itself and 2) I don't think (and I could be wrong here) that the creators intended for the show to gain worldwide fanship. Endless "All or nothing" Soul
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Though I'm not sure #2 is an excuse. Going by Star Trek again, I really doubt they were planning it to be an international phenomena either. But they were still conscious of giving the future international space crew an actual international feel. It's not like having an international team/crew was unprecedented in anime, what with Cyborg 009 (even the protaganist character was still only half Japanese). But I'd like to emphasize that this is NOT something that is going to effect my enjoyment of this series.
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2012-04-03, 20:23 | Link #209 |
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Well there is always this:
Spoiler for large picture: possible future:
Yes I know it is a April Fool's gag from http://lighthousezen.seesaa.net/. I want it anyway. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the rank translations: I don't think they are needed in the episodes themselves unless someone specifically calls someone by their rank, which I don't often hear in any show like this. What I would like is maybe some sort of order to the ranks as a side item. The rank can be presented in whatever fashion is appropriate, just as long as the order is correct. Each country and service is different and uses different terms....but they almost always match up in some way to everyone else. With a few random "in-between" or subdivided ranks thrown in from time to time by one country or service or another. The Department Uniform colors may also need an update, but so far I've only seen two new ones (Medical/nurse = pink (possible custom made as the nurse's uniform is rather different), and Security = grey) The rest about other countries other than Japan surviving the War will probably wait until a future episode or even series to see the aftermath of the war. Assuming that basically Yamato leaves and we don't get all that much about Earth again aside for flashbacks until the last episode or even next potental series.
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2012-04-03, 22:13 | Link #210 |
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Sorry, originally it was supposedly organized to rotate to allow time for each country to band resources together for their respective stints. Not that any of it makes sense; I'm just imparting the facts, for better or worse.
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2012-04-03, 22:24 | Link #211 | |
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Has anyone noted that in the English Translation (link from Starblazers.com) one of the crewmen on the bridge of the Kirishima says "Phaser Gun power has failed!" Is that just a mistranslation, or are the beam weapons of the UNCN ships referred to as "phasers?" Also, I noticed that the numbers and types of ships are different. In the English translation of the manga the Gamilas types are listed as: 3 Dreadnaughts 7 Battleships 22 cruisers and numerous destroyers. The mid-sized Earth ships are also called "cruisers" not "battleships" in the manga. Not sure if the English translator is making mistakes or if the manga differs slightly from the anime. Does anyone here know?
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2012-04-03, 22:29 | Link #212 | |
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BTW, I had some insight into the song the crew of the Yukikaze sing as they fly into the jaws of death – it has a basis in a similar anthem sung by rocket pilots in Ishiro Honda's GORATH, entitled 「俺ら宇宙のパイロット」(We're Space Pilots): http://youtu.be/RHPnkQwgeYY
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2012-04-03, 22:38 | Link #213 | |
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巡洋艦 (Juyokan) = "Cruiser" 戦艦 (Senkan) = "Battleship" フェザー胞 (Fuezaa Hou) = Phaser Gun/Cannon Yes, the manga differs from the anime — so they will compliment each other.
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2012-04-03, 22:55 | Link #214 | |
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I meant no offense to you BTW, I was just a little confused. I am happy to see the "shout-out" to Star Trek in the manga. Very cool IMO. Thank you again for spending your time doing this, it is appreciated very much.
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2012-04-04, 04:43 | Link #216 |
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I'm plotting already.
The miniatures game has all but the new Earth Cruisers already made (though not to the revised scale, but the older scale). I could put on a revised Battle at Pluto fairly easily. Thoug the Earth Fleet will lose....regardless of what changes I might need to make for the Kirishima or craft up a sheet for the new cruisers. Even if I leave the Gamilons the same, they will still outnumber the UNCF and with a full on Battleship on the table, completely outclass them. I could probably get away with using the miniatures for both the torpedo destroyers and the Kirishima as is....just use the game Kirishima mini (called a Mogami-class cruiser in game) as the cruisers and use one of the Bandai models as the Battleship Kirishima. (It would be huge and important looking next to the three or so inch long Gamilon battleship and the centimeter of so long rest of the ships).
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2012-04-04, 12:31 | Link #218 |
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When and if I do that game. At present it might be September at CelestiCon, but I am unsure of that at present.
Though I do not think we've ever done a game using the pre-Yamato Earth fleet. It just was not as interesting before. We usually focus on 2201 or 2202 era combat, or hypothetical actions after 2205.
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2012-04-04, 20:46 | Link #219 |
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I've managed to make some avatar sized versions of the patches, though they doesn't look all that pretty as I only partly cleaned them up from the tiny images they were at first.
... ... ... ... . *And that is about all I can do. Color Coding for the three box avatars to match uniforms (approximate): Black on white: Possibly Command (generic avatar) Red on white: Combat Division Green of white: Navigation Division Black on yellow: Life Sciences Division Blue on white: Science Division Orange on white: Engineering Division Black on pink: Medical Division (Nurse only know wearer) Black on grey: Security Division Yellow on black: Black Tigers - Fighter Squadrons Yellow on blue: Alternate Fighter Squadrons - (based on fighter paint jobs) (...They are only 3 day left...)
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