2013-01-31, 07:24 | Link #81 |
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Well... time for me to step in... it was somewhat expected and yet unexpected aswell.
That is untill the death god showed up... with the sacrifice story i thought Orochimaru would just die using it. But ohwell.... the risks of fighting... the risks of kinjutsu have been greatly modified after Rock Lee was saved by a miracle operation with Tsunade as the doctor. These Hokages should just both sense and tell the story..(we all wanna hear) then leave to go to the battlefield to help out the others. Because honestly... just even with his eternal MS, Orochimaru gone for a full year or longer... how are they gonna be stronger right now then Naruto, Bee, Obito or Madara? With the Juubi soon gone... i truly wonder... how strong Sasuke will have to become to get to such a level. To even reach Madara. Also how can someone that epic be controlled by Orochimaru? (Hashirama) But still... glad to see that his soul is finally freed (Minato).
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2013-01-31, 09:56 | Link #83 |
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Where is this coming from? The army's intent was never to defeat the Jyuubi; they have no hope of defeating the Jyuubi, it can only be sealed away or split apart. Last chapters attack was purely to separate Madara (and I guess Tobi) from the Jyuubi (whether the Jyuubi goes inert or insane is currently unknown). Now the army will focus on defeating these two opponents, and then they'll focus on the monster that can destroy the planet (and that's only if Madara doesn't still reach his goal of becoming a Jinchuuriki anyway, which honestly seems just as likely as not).
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2013-01-31, 12:01 | Link #84 | |
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I did not. I didn't skip reading our chapter 617 thread either:
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...When I mentioned “sharing his glory”, I was speaking more generally; and in the sense of the supporting characters being in a competitive league. There still are a few minor exceptions that are very few and far in between in the other sense, but I seriously doubt the final battle will be one of them (in either sense). Though, let's just be honest with ourselves, the tripe you rightfully describe in ch617 is nothing more than more fan-service(well, at least to me). Naruto had to empower an entire army for them to be able to even fight on a truly competitive level. Interestingly enough, you even pointed out that the chapter's attack essentially comes from Naruto and the Kyuubi –they are the ones who truly get the glory here, lets not kid ourselves. |
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2013-01-31, 12:18 | Link #85 | |
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Let's see...
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2013-01-31, 12:21 | Link #86 | |
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Orochimaru is back to full power now that he has his arms back. He's the one who summoned the four Hokage. Since he absorbed his cells from Kabuto he probably has all of Kabuto's enhanced abilities in addition to his knowledge. So he's probably a Snake Sage right now. He admitted that he still wants Sasuke's young body. I wouldn't be surprised if Sasuke has a rematch with Orochimaru at full power and has to battle the four Hokage in order to do it. But it's also likely that after the four Hokage give Sasuke the information they seek that Team Sasuke, along with Orochimaru, head to the battle field and makes things interesting. If the Hokage tell Sasuke everything they know I wonder how that will effect Sasuke. How will the knowledge acquired from Minato that the masked ninja orchestrated the attack by the Kyuubi on Leaf Village (vs. the lie Obito told about the Kyuubi doing it on his own) effect Sasuke? How will learning that Naruto is the son of the 4th Hokage effect Sasuke? The 1st Hokage is the one who defeated the real Uchiha Madara so he should have some interesting info to share as well. The 2nd and 3rd Hokage will have direct information on the persecution of the Uchiha and the order to destroy the entire clan, although I don't know what they could tell Sasuke that Itachi hasn't already told him. This is a very interesting period in the manga because Kishimoto is about to reveal everything to the audience in order to build up to wards the final battle. Now matter what Sasuke is told I think that he will enter the final battle as Naruto's enemy. He is his rival so it makes sense for that to happen. Sasuke may not side with Obito and Madara but I doubt he will identify with the Leaf Village any more. Here's an interesting thought..... What do you guys think that Sasuke will make of the fact that with the Rinnegan he can bring people fully back from the dead? He wants revenge but he also talked about the revival of his clan. Madara intended for Obito to bring him back from the dead. I think the idea of bringing the entire Uchiha clan back including his parents and Itachi is more intriguing to Sasuke than the Infinite Tsukiyomi plan.
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2013-01-31, 12:25 | Link #87 | |
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2013-01-31, 13:29 | Link #88 |
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I think everybody's forgetting that Oro said he has no intention of joining this war. Even i just remembered that. So who knows, maybe Oro just summoned the kage for Sasuke to ask them some questions. And why would Oro help Sasuke? Sasuke tried to kill him. Oro turning into a good guy maybe?
Jiraiya/Oro/Tsunade Obito/Kakashi/Rin Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura All of them have pretty much an identical member from each group, you all know that. Kakashi wasn't evil, but Obito changed his heart. Oro Sasuke and Kakashi were all the geniuses/stand-outs of their group, so if Oro, for some reason, does have a change of heart and no longer wants to destroy Konoha (gave a bit of a hint in this chapter), then Sasuke will probably have the same. |
2013-01-31, 14:20 | Link #89 | |
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2013-01-31, 14:33 | Link #91 | |
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so what we perceive and what the author meant to show are different.
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2013-01-31, 15:27 | Link #92 |
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Sasuke was also Orochi's host, but Itachi pulling him out didn't kill Sasuke. Apparently the author decided that Orochi can store himself in different bodies and each parasitic instance of him can also share information with other instances. So from being immortal just by using the power of the white snake and body switching he was leveled up to being immortal because he can upload multiple copies of himself into other people and these copies autmatically replicate their memory between them Next level up for him should be to become like Agent Smith in the matrix
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2013-01-31, 16:41 | Link #93 | |
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2013-01-31, 17:06 | Link #94 |
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To be fair, empowering an army of living ninjas is far more chakra efficient than cloning himself an equal number of times. Not to mention that it basically adds his power to the unique skills of each and every one of them. Skills that he himself doesn't have.
Don't get me wrong, Naruto is the one that makes it all possible, but everyone is doing their part. |
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i call bs on this... there were several other theories. i'd love for you to cite a post of yours in which you predicted this outcome |
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2013-01-31, 20:39 | Link #96 |
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pretty good point, but i think Kishi is going to make it so that the 4th does have kyuubi chakra. Everyone's been saying that Naruto's surpassed his father, so i don't think it would be an entertaining fight. Raikage said he was faster, and the Kyuubi said he had surpassed him
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2013-01-31, 21:55 | Link #97 |
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Why does everyone think Minato would be able to so easily use the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra? Bearing in mind I expect that Kishimoto would allow him to easily use the chakra if he has it, realistically it takes years of practice to be able to use a bijuu's chakra so it would make little sense for Minato to easily be able to use the chakra without losing control or exploding. Obviously Kishimoto cares little about logic anymore, but it would still be pretty annoying if Minato can easily use the bijuu's chakra...
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2013-01-31, 23:49 | Link #98 |
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^ kinda curious myself...i initially believed that the portion of chakra minato sealed away is moot since kurama chakra is suppose to be infinite...that was until i reread 504. now I at least expect it to come up in following chapters but since kurama(Cell, not really lol) himself hasnt hinted that he is incomplete without the remainder of his chakra im not sure where the author will go with it...
i mean isnt uzumaki karin in konoha somewhere? did she sense Taka's presence? could she have a role in dealing with the kyuubi chakra?
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so given that, i wouldn't be surprised to see minato control the kurama chakra well. he's dealt with it and felt it's power before and he's as quick a learner as kishi wants to make him. i also wouldn't be shocked if he remembers his conversation with naruto since it fits the orochimaru logic of shared experience and memories between soul fragments. lol this story has grown so much more far fetched than genjutsu and shadow clones... |
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