[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 4 Alliance of the golden witch

[Teapot]

Well, I think that the culprit might have some accomplices,the culprit decieves with a promise of a large sum of money and when he/she is done using them for the murders (Or aren't of any more use, or the mastermind thinks he/she can continue the murders alone) he/she finishes them off

[Jan-Poo]

Here's a niconico video of Happy Maria's song lyrics: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5726919

However as squirrellord said this is just one of the many different interpretations, since it doesn't seem to make any sense. I don't know if an official version exists.

As for the Kanon theory, how do you explain the fact that Battler sees him?

[Hareoic]

I'm going to assume there'll eventually be a soundtrack. And soundtracks usually contain the lyrics.

[Ankoku-chan]

Originally Posted by Tjfarmer

That would actually make a lot of sense if Jessica made Kanon up. I was thinking, and Kanon's body goes missing if he dies AFTER Jessica he goes missing...

An interesting theory, but Kanon's body doesn't really "go missing" in Ep. 4, it's just that Battler can't find it since it fell through the well and Battler can't open the top of it.

[Tjfarmer]

@ Jan-Poo read Squirrellords theory

Spoiler for Kanon:

So, let's look at the women in Umineko, from an objective stand point.
-Beatrice: Created Ronove and Virgilia from Genji and Kumasawa, to escape her solitary existence on the island (speculation)
-Eva: Creates a witch within herself, to escape from her mistreated life.
-Maria: Creates Sakutaro and the Siesta Sisters (speculation on the second part) to escape her solitary and miserable life.
-Ange: Creates Maria, Sakutaro, and the 7 Sisters from Maria's diary to escape her miserable solitary life.

So who's another solitary female? Jessica. She lives on the island, it's not like she's got friends who are willing to take a boat trip over, she's not great in school, and her parents are constantly pushing her. So, she tells all her friends she has a boyfriend, and that she'll bring him to the school culture festival thing. So she makes up Kanon, someone to be there for her, someone to love her, etc, basing him off the love she sees from Shannon and George. You could also then say that when Beatrice revived Kanon's ghost for Jessica in part 3, that that's exactly how Kanon is at all times anyway, to her.

It's possible then to say that Kanon does not exist, and that he is another graduate of the -on orphanage, Runon, Renon, Manon, etc, who is overlapped with Jessica's Kanon image. Using this, it's possible to make Kanon the ultimate piece against Battler, as he does not exist, cannot die, and can create perfect contradictions. *Kanon* did not die by a stake to the chest due to suicide, accident, or murder, but his true form could have. This way, Kanon's relationship with Kinzo is also cleared up, seeing as neither of them exist.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Ankoku-chan

An interesting theory, but Kanon's body doesn't really "go missing" in Ep. 4, it's just that Battler can't find it since it fell through the well and Battler can't open the top of it.

His body is still not found like in ep 2. So I just included term as missing. But I'm seriously wondering why its like that.... we'll see during answer arc if his body goes missing (or not found) again and Jessica dies before him.

And was it really ever confirmed in red that Kanon is under that well? Kyrie could have made that whole story up.

[Jan-Poo]

It's possible then to say that Kanon does not exist, and that he is another graduate of the -on orphanage, Runon, Renon, Manon, etc, who is overlapped with Jessica's Kanon image. Using this, it's possible to make Kanon the ultimate piece against Battler, as he does not exist, cannot die, and can create perfect contradictions.

I don't know If I completely get it... but does that mean that the Kanon Battler sees is actually Runon or another fukuin guy? Wouldn't that mean that Kanon exists? In the first place Kanon is not a real name, so whoever uses Kanon as a name is Kanon. plus, as per rule in the game versus Battler, Beatrice cannot state in red anything that is magical or related to magic. So if Kanon was a magic being like the siestas she couldn't even name him.
Suppose Battler will later find out that Kanon doesn't exist, how would he react to the fact that red truth acknowledge his existence? That would bring to a stalemate as explained by Ronove in episode3

[Hareoic]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I don't know If I completely get it... but does that mean that the Kanon Battler sees is actually Runon or another fukuin guy? Wouldn't that mean that Kanon exists? In the first place Kanon is not a real name, so whoever uses Kanon as a name is Kanon.

I was about to say I think he greeted Kanon in the first game outside the house.

[Tjfarmer]

Ya thats still the confusing part, I'm just basing off a random theory and adding my on into it :P Theory's are meant to be really weird sometimes (or joke theories) :P

I'm still trying to make sense of squirrellords Kanon thing. Runon exists lets say, but Kanon does not, and when Beatrice says Kanon died, since he doesn't exist can't die, but Runon died..... ya I'm confusing myself now.

[Marion]

As far as the 'Kanon is Jessica's imagination' theory, what about everyone else. Everyone acknowledges the existence of Kanon at some point in the game. I really doubt everyone was playing along with her.

Spoiler for EP 4 ??? Tea Party:

There is also Lambda's deadly red text to consider.

Lambdadleta: The only person who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!! A different person cannot claim his name!

[Tjfarmer]

Well, not everyone attends the island at all times. If he is introduced to everyone as Kanon, he would become Kanon to them. Only Natsuhi, Krauss, Kinzo, Kuma, Genji, and Shannon (maybe Nanjo) would know that he is not really called Kanon, and its not like anyone listed above can be trusted.

But ya, I'm just making random retard theories, ignore me.

[Jan-Poo]

Well I do have some wacky theories myself. And sometimes what seemed an apparent contradiction to a theory became irrelevant after some new revelations.

In other words even if someone points out a problem in a theory that doesn't mean that the theory is false, only that there is a problem. Then people can try to figure out a way to solve the problem.

Spoiler for episode4 tea party:

The theory that Kinzo died before the game stil poses serious problems, we can only completely accept it because it was stated in red. But if it wasn't for that, some people might find many reasons to think otherwise

[Marion]

Speaking of theories, I have one of my own before I go to bed:

Spoiler for EP 4:

I've honestly been wondering whether or not there is a connection between Battler's sin and Asumu herself. It appears there might be some kind of connection, or maybe Beato just said that to make him think so and it could be just a trap. But if Asumu is somehow related to the sin then here's the connection:

What if Asumu's death somehow influenced the murders of Rokkenjima? Even more so, what if Battler (our Battler) somehow indirectly influenced Asumu's death, thus creating the murders of Rokkenjima.

You can't say there is no possibilities of tension, regarding Asumu. For starters, Rudolf married her out of force - that is, he married her because she was going to give birth or had already given birth to Battler. If Asumu wasn't pregnant with Battler then Rudolf would have probably just gone with Kyrie. I'm sure the family was aware in someway possibly of this forced marriage.

Then there's Kyrie herself. In EP 3 she stated that she believes she somehow caused Asumu's sudden death indirectly. What if that's the case?

I wouldn't completely count out Rudolf having something to do with her death either. According to Battler's talk to Beatrice during his test he believed Rudolf and Kyrie were having an affair while he was with Asumu and implied that Kyrie got pregnant with Ange while Asumu was still alive. He (Rudolf) could have arranged Asumu's death somehow and used the opportunity to marry Kyrie.

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I'm still not sure about Nanjo. However the mastermind (Beatrice) must have used them all for something, promising them money in return. That is probably the reason behind those mysterious letters. Yet it is not clear why the name of their sons was used. Maybe because they thought the sons after receiving those letter would automatically give them to the parents since their names were stated as the receivers. They couldn't imagine they would die... still this is a very roundabout method...

Or, and this is kind of morbid, they weren't expecting to survive. If they were paid off to make the murders look like a bizarre ritual (if indeed, as I've theorized, Nanjo is the one doing stakings, possibly with Kumasawa's help), it could be that the final step in that was to perish themselves. If whatever kills anyone who survives who is not at Kuwadorian is known to them, they'd perhaps realize there was a very slim prospect of survival. Granted, Nanjo and Kumasawa know about Kuwadorian (and have clearly been there), and if Nanjo was trying to lead people there, he must have suspected it was safe. Since Eva survived ep3 and was found alive in Kuwadorian, whatever happens must not affect that mansion.

So I guess you could say it's a contingency. If they survive, they get off the island and a letter arrives later with their payoff. If they don't, their children get the payoff instead. Unsurprisingly, Dr. Nanjo the younger was smart enough to realize this wasn't good money... Main problem here is that Ange remembers getting a letter too, although that could've been a payoff to her grandfather for something (making Ange sick?).

Alternately, it's not a payoff, but compensation to "innocent" parties. Someone knew they'd have to kill Nanjo, Kumasawa, and Rudolf's family (even though they didn't want to), so they sent them money to somehow make up for it.

[Hareoic]

Originally Posted by Renall

Since Eva survived ep3 and was found alive in Kuwadorian, whatever happens must not affect that mansion.

Wasn't it just that she claimed to have hidden out there? I thought it was mentioned somewhere that the Kuwadorian wasn't found.

[Rias]

Originally Posted by Hareoic

I'm going to assume there'll eventually be a soundtrack. And soundtracks usually contain the lyrics.

There is a soundtrack by Luck Ganryoku. But the soundtrack didn't have lyrics for it.

[Hareoic]

Originally Posted by Rias

There is a soundtrack by Luck Ganryoku. But the soundtrack didn't have lyrics for it.

I mean a soundtrack for all the games, like they did with Higurashi.

[Saerianne]

Going with the talk about the bank money, what about the number sequence? The letter had the numbers on it so they could get into the safe, but then why was the number written on the door in ep 3? (I think it was on George's door...? Im trying to remember)

[Ikth7]

Originally Posted by Saerianne

Going with the talk about the bank money, what about the number sequence? The letter had the numbers on it so they could get into the safe, but then why was the number written on the door in ep 3? (I think it was on George's door...? Im trying to remember)

Yes, it was on George's door. I'm not sure why it was there either, but it gave Eva the chance to write it down. So we can be sure that she has access to the number. However, you need the number and a key to open anything so unless she received keys as well she couldn't open anything. That makes me wonder even more why anyone would bother to put it on the door. Even if they figured out what it was they couldn't make use of it unless they were sent a letter with a key, and that letter would have the number in it as well. Why put it on the door if you're just going to mail it to them later?

[Saerianne]

Originally Posted by Ikth7

Yes, it was on George's door. I'm not sure why it was there either, but it gave Eva the chance to write it down. So we can be sure that she has access to the number. However, you need the number and a key to open anything so unless she received keys as well she couldn't open anything. That makes me wonder even more why anyone would bother to put it on the door. Even if they figured out what it was they couldn't make use of it unless they were sent a letter with a key, and that letter would have the number in it as well. Why put it on the door if you're just going to mail it to them later?

Exactly. If Eva was the culprit, found out that the number was for a safe, then went to kill George, why did she even write it on the door? She could have wrote it on her hand or on a piece of paper.
Or if Eva-Beato was the murderer, she may have put it there to give Eva a hint to where she could get some money... I'm not sure... I guess we'll have to wait until the answer arc.

[SeventhHS]

Just a bit of fun here. I was bored so my friends told me to translate this image:

Spoiler:

Guidance System Version 07

Firing Guidance System Startup
Good morning.
Welcome to the firing guidance system.

Commence Data Accumulation...
Now scanning. Gathering data.
Forgive me. The missile cannot hit here.

Formulating Firing Curve...
Now calculating firing curve. Will definitely calculate a curve.
This is filler text so please don't read it. It is random.
I don't really understand English but it's cool huh? Kind of awesome.

Firing Prepartations Complete
Firing preparations complete. After this the shot will hit.
Measurements are flawless. Nothing to worry about. It's totally automatic.

Accuracy 97.89%
...is a number which certainly hits. (?)

Perhaps Witch Hunt should include an edited graphic in their next patch for those unfortunate souls among us who cannot read Japanese written in Greek alphabet.