2010-11-22, 17:48 | Link #19023 | |
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2010-11-22, 17:55 | Link #19025 |
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Better than just a miracle miss, twice? I don't know...
There are many scenarios one could come up with that could make a better truth than what we saw. Bernkastel didn't want to be right, I think she wanted one of two other things. To be seen as right or to bring Battler back into the game. Though, I am not sure her and Battler will have any interaction in episode 8.
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2010-11-22, 18:30 | Link #19027 |
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"theories about the truth" vs "interpreted truth"
Blue vs Gold. Bernkastel vs Battler. In the human world, there is no such thing as the red text. Personally I do hope we'd get that. Edit : Why does everyone think the tea party "arc" is an arc made by Bern? She's pretty adamant she's not the gamemaster. If there's any "game master" of this "arc" I'd say it's Eva Beatrice. |
2010-11-22, 18:52 | Link #19028 | |
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2010-11-22, 19:14 | Link #19030 |
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Heh if Beato is the new Oyashiro-Sama I'm personally going to be dissapointed. It simply lacks originality for Ryukishi to use again the same plot twice.
Also I'm pretty certain Yasu is the culprit in arc 1-2-4, and even most likely in 3 as well. Within the context of these arcs being mystery stories on their own, they do need a culprit, and a motive for these crimes. It's entirely possible that on Rokkenjima Prime there is simply no culprit. |
2010-11-22, 19:31 | Link #19031 | |
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IMO scapegoating isn't as convoluted since his stories have a theme of supernatural means vs human means. One could expect that trope to be consistent with his writing style instead of being directly lifted.
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2010-11-22, 19:48 | Link #19032 |
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Being disappointed isn't making a point so I wholly agree with you there. Even with it being true I still think the Shkanon thing is far fetched.
Tho I can see plenty of ways where Beato's situation wouldn't be disappointing to me, will need arc 8 to have that opinion. Even so I get the feeling a lot about the whole thing will be left to personal interpretation. |
2010-11-22, 20:06 | Link #19033 |
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Well, if the EP7 tea party does tell the story of Ange's world, and that does happen to be Rokkenjima Prime, then it looks as though Yasu never got the chance to be the killer in real life. So, we'll never know if she had a motive strong enough to kill, just that she had one strong enough that she wanted to kill, and wrote fictional stories about how she would do so.
We know from the middle of EP7 that, at one point in her life, she was so involved with her imaginary world that she almost quit being a servant to live the rest of her life in that imaginary world. It was only falling in love with Battler that made her decide not to 'stop being a human', which seems like becoming a shut-in at best and suicide at worst. We see how this happens. Since she has no friends, her imaginary world takes up more and more of her life. Then, the few friends she makes actually treat that imaginary world as if it was real. Then, she finds out how exciting it it to make people unwittingly believe in her imaginary world (key trick). In other words, Yasu really is a messed up kid, who spends more time in his/her imaginary world than in reality. That's why you have to go back as far as Lion to get a truly happy person (before Kyrie or whoever kills him/her). Still, I don't think the fact that Yasu is messed up makes it any less interesting of a puzzle. If anything, it makes for a much more challenging motive to figure out. If the main puzzle is supposed to be the 'why dunnit', this makes for a much more complex puzzle than any permutation of money, love, or twisted ideals could cover.
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2010-11-22, 20:12 | Link #19034 | |
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I mean, it feels like RK07 created the basis of the games in the first 4 episodes with just enough red herrings for people to go wild with theories. Then he picked some of them and made them into recreations, in that sense we are the Witch Hunt. |
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2010-11-22, 20:23 | Link #19035 | |
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The quotation marks I'm using here do not come from my initiative or from a biased perspective, it's something you can find in the actual story when Will refers to what Bern has just shown. Simply put, I think Featherinne has a distorted view of what is the truth, and Bern is simply adopting that view as her miko. In a way, that means Bern has never been the true Game Master because she's actually showing what Featherinne wants to see and not what she herself wants to show.
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2010-11-22, 20:48 | Link #19036 | |
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You have no one but yourself to blame for being disappointed. Besides, he's not rehashing a plot, he's continuing a meta-arc through a different means. This is exactly why Umineko is a sequel in the first place. When They Cry, as a franchise, is about the fallacies of sacrifice and martyrdom, and personal responsibility for someone's actions. It's also about understanding, trust, and giving the benefit of the doubt. It's about seeing people for what they are without hurtful, judgemental bias.
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2010-11-22, 21:05 | Link #19037 |
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I've never really understood the argument that continuing a few elements is the same as rehashing. I think it's pretty obvious by now that Umineko is completely different from Higurashi in structure, characters, how the story is told, and how the answers are given. It's part of the When They Cry series, so it makes sense for a few things to carry through. In fact, if things to hold true to both series but we haven't recognized them yet, I think that means Ryuukishi's an even better writer for keeping the obvious from us for so long.
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2010-11-22, 21:15 | Link #19038 | |
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I think you're think of something he said about Episode 7 where he said "[after reading it] people should go back to all the previous episodes and enjoy how early the foreshadowing begins"
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2010-11-22, 21:19 | Link #19039 | |
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I see it the other way around, I think RK07 made this knowing that we where aware of Higurashi and is actively playing on this. We trusted Bern for the most part because she looked like Rika and where wary of Lambda because she looked like Takano. If you didn't see the possibility that Shannon/Kanon could be the same person by the second OP its probably because you didn't know about Shion/Mion.
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2010-11-22, 21:48 | Link #19040 | |
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EDIT: I meant in ep 3. Sorry for not clarifying.
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