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[Manga] Wanting to be Human
We always felt hollows saw humans/souls as nothing but food source but as we go more into the psyche of Arrancars Hollows it may be different than our previous assumption. As any class of menos or hollows for that manner were humans and became what they are by force or natural process of chain decay . Somewhere in there mind all they do seek is for humanity
I mean we never want to look like our food source ? but they do . There strong hatred for anything human may be related to a complex. Somewhere deep down due to their appearance they do feel inferior to humanity and express it in rage/hatred. They do consider themselves superior beings but deep inside they are longing for humanity There have been three instances where this happened * Instance 1 : Chapter 191 Appearance of Yami & Ulqi - “ They kept staring at me like a freak “ Yami is pissed off that humans stare at him as though he is an anomaly. Also he does feel humans are mocking his appearance in general. But humans cant see Arrancars to begin with . When he is reminded he retorts . “ I know I know but I still don’t like it “ * Instance 2 : Chapter 267 Espada9’s Vanity - Vanity or Complex Other than the fact he hated his real appearance he did go through a lot of trouble to conceal his identity. Even after Rukia found out his true form he still morphed into Kaien . To be more detailed he sonido past Rukia just so that he could transform again . When Rukia stares in disbelief he answers “ If its about my face We both long since grown tired of hearing opinion about this face “ * Instance 3 : Chapter 277 GJ’s revelation about Ulqi - Placement of the stab hole When GJ comes across an injured Ichi other than the fact he is pissed. He is sure its Ulqi due to the placement of stab hole. He reveals that Ulqi has an odd conscious / subconscious habit of stabbing people exactly where his hole is situated. Is this Ulqi way of expressing angst for being imperfect less humanoid? Is this a subconscious effort at making everyone like him so he won’t be an oddity no more? GJ’s exact words were " This is a wound he would make. I don’t know if even he knows it or not, but when he finds prey that interests him he ends up opening a hole in him/her in the same spot as his ". EDIT : Quote:
Note : This may be an over analysis but it leads to interesting speculation
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2007-06-02, 01:45 | Link #8 |
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Very well noted . Conformity if nothing but Behaviour or Beliefs being influenced by others conciously or subconsciously . The chapter elobrates to nothing but Corrosion/Decay of Ulqi's Beliefs in a way
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2007-06-02, 02:54 | Link #10 | |
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The earliest concept of Wanting to be Human to be used in popular be media / literature was by Asimov NOT by Hiromu Arakawa
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2007-06-02, 03:15 | Link #12 | |
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Wanting to be normal and accepted has also been used in Naruto . Konoha does look at Naruto as an embodiiment of Kyuubi Kitsune aka Bakemono than a kid or a human being
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2007-06-05, 07:10 | Link #14 |
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i actually do agree with you on this one Geta. i do believe they are longing for a sense, or at least subconsciously desiring, a sense of humanity, after all their must be some element of that to their character as they are hollows that under went a process to become combine with 'death god' or 'humanity' etc.
but as you know partly what my suggestion was before, i do believe then, on some level, that some of the death god hate themselves. like ulq and that whole 'i will hit my prey where my hole is' thing. it is actually rather sad, he is killing himself again and again, as if he doesn't value his life, but obviously he does because he makes a point of becoming strong and 'winning' in fights to continue to exist. so yeah, like most animes, the villains are screwed up psychologically. or one of the rules to write by: Evil men are just those who exist with a broken heart. All pain is rooted there. ^< Last edited by Elegant Destruction; 2007-06-05 at 07:10. Reason: dam those typos |
2007-06-05, 10:10 | Link #15 |
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This was also mentioned in buso renkin, as homunculi devour humans as a way to regain the humanity that they loss by becoming homunculi. So this is a pretty interesting theory, one that I'm confident Kubo's going to use eventually. Perhaps even in this arc.
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2007-12-14, 19:45 | Link #16 |
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After reading recent chapters it seems that arrancar may have more human qualities than we give them credit for. One example would be #7 Espada Leroux who may have a sense of morality as he questions if the Shinigami have a right to deem hollows evil and kill them as if it were a natural thing. Another would be Neliel having a sense of honor (at least I think she does). Then you have Noitora and his sexist ways thinking males are better than females.
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2007-12-14, 21:06 | Link #17 |
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I remember that Neliel once told Nnoitora when she was an espada that now that they have become arrancar they should behave more humanlike, since if they didn't, they would be nothing more than beasts.So Neliel too longed to be human.
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2007-12-15, 01:46 | Link #18 |
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Very interesting theory Geta, if hollows do want to become human it may explain why they would want to join Aizen, just speculation but they may be promised something like *proper human form???*, some kinda weird promise, it may be the motivation that Aizen has been malipulating, because so far weve seen Arrancar treating Aizen like some sort of saint, tell me if im going off topic, just that i thought that there may be some relavence there.
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2007-12-15, 03:28 | Link #19 |
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I will correct you. They are not longing for humanity (they once all were human to begin with) they are just MAYBE longing for human appearance which is different.
How is it different? Humanity- humans-weak mortals - no powers - just nice appearance. If any of those arrancars wanted to be human, they would just accept soul burial and that's it. (or wait is it even possible to do soul burial on arrancars, Kubo never mentioned that.) And about those quotes, I just think Kubo gave them those lines in order to give them more character... And just look at that Dog captain, he is the same..Wearing that hat, hiding his beast face. Did he ever wanted to look human? Well that is my opinion at least.
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2007-12-15, 08:16 | Link #20 | ||
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It occurs to me that as hollows grow in power and intelligence, they draw closer and closer to the human form. Even before any arrancarization, the Vasta Lorde are almost human looking. And the ultimate power-up is then to merge with a human race(shinigami). Perhaps to be of more human nature is a true sign of power, and that is why some arrancar are fascinated with their own humanity(in appearance and nature)?
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The other interpretation, is like I mentioned earlier, that more human appearance = higher status and power level of the arrancar/hollow. It might just be a status symbol to look like an elegant human (Ulquiorra) instead of a giant orc (Yammi). I agree with you that whatever angst they might have about losing their humanity.............arrancar like having powers. Moreover, they would probably lose their identity and experiences as arrancar if they turned human. Survival is ingrained into the dog-eat-dog hollow existence, and I don't see them giving up everything to become human. I still can't decide if that means humanity interests arrancar because of: 1) An indication of their power level and status. 2) The past: A recalling of who and what they were before they turned hollow 3) The growth of human emotions/conscience as they evolve into thinking beings, instead of instinctive beasts. 4) They don't give a damn after all. I'd like interpretation number 3, personally, if only because it makes for deeper and more interesting characters. However, Zomari's comments in his recent fight suggest a different line of thought.He thought of humans as little more than food for hollows. They weren't even worthy of being enemies or hated, but just sustenance. If that's the general attitude it shoots the whole "wanting to be human" theory in the foot. I can't imagine wanting to be the beef hamburger sitting on my plate, like geta mentions earlier. It might be that different arrancar simply have different views on the whole issue. Note: Why it is that hollows draw closer to human form when they get more powerful is a whole other discussion. Quote:
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