2011-12-12, 20:00 | Link #18221 |
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It is a gesture. They don't believe they will get the drone back.
As for it being reverse engineered. Maybe. But then one would assume we know how to deal with the drones. Unless they are more stealthy than they looks, it will be about air superiority. Which in most cases the United States can get. Especially since the Iranian Air Force has mostly 1970s and very early 1980s designed aircraft, with the most modern being the MIG-29s, the Mirage F1 and the Grumman F-14 Tomcat. They have been building homebuilt versions of the American F-5 in recent years that looks like a cross between the old F-5 and the F-18.
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2011-12-12, 20:04 | Link #18222 |
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Though.. knowing what its made of and how it works is still a far cry from being able to *produce* the components or assemble them, provide the support structures (remote control, etc). They ain't magic swords, they're just the tip end of a large combined system
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I think you're seeing deceitful intent on the part of Britain, where there isn't particularly one. Perfidious Albion, and all that. It's within Britain's rights to veto legislation, it's not like they're a tiny island with a population less 1% of the whole EU holding things up. They have a right to not assent if they do not want to. And it's not like the treaty isn't going ahead anyway, so why bother making a fuss? It#s not like they've actually stopped anything. |
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2011-12-12, 20:17 | Link #18224 |
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(This is not spoiler content since this is the backstory you get right at the start)
To use an old anime example: in Space Battleship Yamato, the Earth has been fighting the Gamilons for prehaps decades. They have reverse engineered a lot of Gamilon tech and it shows in the space ships they use at the Battle of Pluto. They have Gamilon style ships and weapons. But they are still inferior to the Gamilon originals as the Earth has not been able to replicate the Gamilon power system...the Wave Motion Engine. Either because they don't understand how it works, or they've never manage to capture one fully intact...or the principle of the Warp is beyond them, so they can't even begin to make use of the technology. Because of this the Earth ships weapons are not powerful enough to stand toe to toe with the Gamilon Fleet. Well they are also outnumbered. However this technology has made it so the Earth could at least fight almost at the Gamilon's level. Enough so that the Gamilons got angry enough to wipe out the human race via radioactive planet bombs. Now the Americans and Iranians are not in this situation. Nor does it seem likely that the Americans will want to take over Iran to the level the Gamilon wanted Earth (I see no reason to want to live in Iran when I can live in California). Nor is reverse engineering a drone likely to give them much of an advantage verses the United States, if things did get out of hand. Come to think of it, that advantage wouldn't even work against Israel, though it might be something against anyone else in the region that is not Russia, China, or India.
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Double post for actual news:
Canada pulls out of Kyoto Protocol http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45645743 Part of the article: Quote:
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2011-12-12, 22:30 | Link #18226 | |
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Chinese fishermen 'stab South Korean coast guards'
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2011-12-12, 22:41 | Link #18227 |
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Sounds like what father had to do in the canals and rivers of Vietnam during the war. But the US Navy tended to be more than ready to deal with anyone that put up a fight for breaking South Vietnamese laws or aiding the North Vietmanese cause.
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2011-12-13, 01:36 | Link #18229 | |
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As for the internet reaction, Chinese internet is filled with so called FQ愤青/粪青(angry youth/ sh*t youth). These are usually most loud and noisy bunch. The previous disputes (such as the one with Japan over Diaoyu Dao/senkaku) has the negative effect that some people resort to nationalism whenever there is some incident involving Chinese fisherman and foreign police, regardless of the circumstances. But there are sane voices whichever internet forum you go to. I don't know much of the Korean reaction, but from the Chinese source that I read, there are a few Korean papers calling nasty names to the Chinese fisherman. Most Koreans that I know are pretty patriotic/nationalistic. I doubt there is no hate spewing on the Korean internet. In fact, I suspect there are quite some since they will have some self-rightness(justified to a degree) on their side . To summarize, yes, it is a tragic incident, and crimes should be punished by law. The Chinese government should consider measures to prevent such incidents from reoccurring. But I don't think that simplify everything down to sino-centralism is going to help any side. |
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Even the local born Chinese of where I stay invented degratory terms for them because of how a significant majority carry themselves upon China's economic might. It all starts with the government, if they stop trolling the rest of the world, more likely than not the citizens would follow suit, and so likely would Sinocentricism blames disappear.
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2011-12-13, 07:38 | Link #18232 |
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Iran says Obama should apologize for downed drone
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2011-12-13, 09:55 | Link #18233 | |
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2011-12-13, 10:20 | Link #18235 | |
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Originally the Euro was at 1.6 CHF, and for a long time remained above 1.5. With the crisis, it started to plunge, and reached 1.3 one year ago (good timing for my vacation in Paris). With the whole Euro crisis, it almost reached parity in september of this year (1.09), until our central bank decided to put a stop, pegging the Euro at above 1.2 by buying "unlimited" amounts of Euro. Even then, our economy his currently very concerned by the "Strong Franc", consumers being more focused on retailer not lowering enough the price of european imports (consumer products, foodstuff as well as cars).
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2011-12-13, 15:25 | Link #18239 | |
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the existence of such a bill does not turn an otherwise perfectly democratic nation into a dictatorship. especially since the guy with the authority to utilize such a bill is still an elected official.
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